So who voted ??

Gotta love the Esthers

Polyester works for me.

Schlyne, how does one get handfasted? Is there a ceremony or what? I am not into the traditional wedding, so I loke to know about other things.

Hm...how to explain this. It's just the pagan equivalent of getting married. It's legal and everything. All of the people I have known customize their ceremony with the person who is performing it (who is a registerd reverand, minister..whatever you want to call it). They still get a marriage license.

There are several tradiation things that can be done, like the "broom leap" the handfasted couple leap together over the broom. I think it's supposed to be for fertility. Usually in the cermony itself (usually some sort of vow recital) the couple's hands are bound together with a cord (only one hand to a person). I'm not sure how long the cord stays fastened either.

My friends have been planning their own ceremony, but they're planning a bunch of unique things, and I don't know all of what they are going to do. I know that what they want to do is involve the elements, but we're not acutally calling quarters. I'm going to be representing earth, and I will be either drumming or playing the digeridoo for that. After tha n, the "groom"'s little bro will represent air, and play the flute. Then a friend will dance for water, and then the groom's other liitle bro will represent fire, and will start spinning fire.

I think they plan on doing this before vows. I'm not sure.

You can pick up books on hanfasting cermonies...but you'd probably have to go into a bookstore and either read it there, or buy it. The pagan section at public libraries is usually quite small or nonexistant.

It is sad this was an election based on morals rather than the real issues at hand.
To answer your question Gin of how can people who vote against same sex marraige and look their gay friends in the eye, most who vote against don't knowly have gay friends I'm sure.

Just remember all these types of issues and wanting to alter the const. have come up before in the past, only pertaining to marraige between whites/blacks

This is a scarey cloud forming!

Also please let me know when it is legal for Women to have a Haram :)

Yeah, I fear for the country's future.
You know what really riles me about state-level government? The way issues are proposed in the Senate without our even knowing what is going on. If you go to your state's official website and try to get a glimpse of what bills are being voted on this week, good luck. I tried, and all I got were bills that were passed or vetoed by the senator weeks ago.
And, should you somehow stumble upon a bill that is being passed before the senator in a few days, what can you do? Write them a stupid email that they'll never read, and watch as they strike away at your rights. The whole reptile-banning bill that was passed this week in NY is a prime example of that.
Geez, I could go on for hours about this stuff. I guess resistance is futile, and I should just shut up, lest I am viweed as :shudder: an activist.

No please never shut and always resist if it's how you feel.
Remember " If you don't stand up for something you will fall for anything"

The squeaky wheel gets the grease is a very true statement.

Seems the moral bible thumpers just hollered more this time.

I have written numerous letters to my senators. One, Zell Miller, has never even sent a form letter in response. The other, Saxby Chambliss, almost always responds but with something about how my position on the issue is absolutely wrong. Tax cuts for the wealthy, wars that violate international law (an impeachable offense, btw), discrimination against gays and lesbians, widening the gap between the haves and have-nots, protecting the environment, preserving civil rights, etc., he is always on the wrong side of the issue.

Well at least you get a response. I've never gotten a form letter from my current senator (I'm not counting Obama, he just got elected). I have gotten a form letter before. I signed a petition once for some sort of environmental wetland thing.

DANG, i didnt know this would end up being such a LOOOOOOONG post,Lol