How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!

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Originally Posted by Yamitaifu

To sum it up: "However, constriction often kills small mammals faster than would be expected if suffocation were the immediate cause of death. In many snakes, constriction may be strong enough to collapse the blood vessels in small prey, which in turn would quickly stop the heart from working and lead to heart attack and stroke."

the movement of the mouse after it is dead is due to the nerves. it happens all the time with people after they have passed away. My mother used to work in a nursing home and would help dress the dead. It wasnt uncommon for an arm to go straight up days after the person had died. So even after a person/mouse/whatever it might be has died, it still could move

for the comments about hearing noises from the mice as the snake starts to swallow it-it could be air being pushed through the lungs. when the air gets pushed out of the lungs up into the throat, noises can be produced. i live on a farm where we shoot groundhogs to stop them from digging up the ground. We shot one that was still 2/3 of the way in the hole and i had to get it out. when i took the shovel under the stomach to pick it out of the hole a noise was produced. scared the crap out of me. the thing was dead for sure, it had a bullet hole right between the eyes. the force of the shovel pushing the air out of the lungs and up into the throat had produced the noises that sounded like grunts and squeals.

to sum that up: dead things can move because of nerves and can make noises if air is pushed out of the lungs and into the throat

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What Yamitaifu said.

It's also worth pointing out that a prey item that's stopped moving isn't necessarily dead. Depriving the brain of oxygen will cause and animal to lose consciousness long before death. That's why constrictors continue to squeeze for some time after movement stops. It's believed that the snake can feel the prey's heartbeat, and uses that to know when it's safe to start chowing down.

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Originally Posted by fishdip

I also have killed a bunch of animals in lots of ways.

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Um...

That's a little disturbing. Just sayin.


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Originally Posted by sorraia

Once again, movement, even noise, does NOT mean the animal is still alive.

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Agreed. Countless studies have been done and proven. Its the same as giving an electric charge to a heart that has been removed from a body. It will still pump and beat, but its dead


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Originally Posted by fishdip

I under stand dead stuff moves I was a cna at a hospice for 2 years. I also have killed a bunch of animals in lots of ways. I can tell when something is still alive a dead animal dose not make sounds over and over and moves over and over.

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Not true. I have killed rats to feed to my snakes multiple times. I do this by snapping the neck with a single quick jerk so that the rat does not suffer. On more than one occasion i have had rats go into a seizure like state where they will spazz out. The movements may be fast and constant or slow and random. Either way the rat was dead and kept moving. If i kept pushing air through the lungs and into the throat of an animal it would keep producing noise. The snake can do this by closing its mouth on the lungs of the rat and pushing the air out or by laying on the rat.

All in all the rats were dead and could still move and produce noise in a constant manner


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Originally Posted by patientz3ro

What Yamitaifu said.

It's also worth pointing out that a prey item that's stopped moving isn't necessarily dead. Depriving the brain of oxygen will cause and animal to lose consciousness long before death. That's why constrictors continue to squeeze for some time after movement stops. It's believed that the snake can feel the prey's heartbeat, and uses that to know when it's safe to start chowing down.





Um...

That's a little disturbing. Just sayin.


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Nothing is wrong with killing. We as a civilization have gotten away from the killing of are own food and it has made us soft. Its like they say if slaughter house had glass walls more people would be a vegetarian.

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Originally Posted by Yamitaifu

Not true. I have killed rats to feed to my snakes multiple times. I do this by snapping the neck with a single quick jerk so that the rat does not suffer. On more than one occasion i have had rats go into a seizure like state where they will spazz out. The movements may be fast and constant or slow and random. Either way the rat was dead and kept moving. If i kept pushing air through the lungs and into the throat of an animal it would keep producing noise. The snake can do this by closing its mouth on the lungs of the rat and pushing the air out or by laying on the rat.

All in all the rats were dead and could still move and produce noise in a constant manner


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You are right animals act a lot different when you brake there neck then when you squeeze or cut its neck.

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Originally Posted by fishdip

Nothing is wrong with killing. We as a civilization have gotten away from the killing of are own food and it has made us soft. Its like they say if slaughter house had glass walls more people would be a vegetarian.

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True, and being a hunter myself, I think anyone who eats meat SHOULD kill the animal themselves. Still, you have to admit that the way you worded that WAS a little creepy.

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Originally Posted by patientz3ro

True, and being a hunter myself, I think anyone who eats meat SHOULD kill the animal themselves. Still, you have to admit that the way you worded that WAS a little creepy.

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True since that is how most murders start out is with animal cruelty.

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Originally Posted by fishdip

One that looks like it was done by a 3rd grader 2nd I see no facts in that IE proof photos of dead feeders showing the broken veins that sort of stuff. Also I am not basing what I am seeing off it looking like he is squeezing it. I am deciding it off the feeder still moving. I know I have the grammar of a 3rd grader but think id be able to put out a better written research paper.

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Granted that is some gradeschool-level writing but if you click around just a bit you can see it was written by a professor at the University of Louisiana. The info there is kind of sparse (and includes WAY to many "probablies" for my taste)... but that article is also 13 years old.

I stumbled on a feeding video yesterday that might be what you're looking for: http://youtu.be/FFW5Iat82TI?t=1m51s It's a little graphic, but basically the mouse coughs up blood (and its eye looks bloody too) immediately upon constriction and it dies very quickly afterwards. Someone more knowledgeable than me can interject and explain what happened there, whether it's broken blood vessels, cardiac arrest, etc.

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Nothing is wrong with killing. We as a civilization have gotten away from the killing of are own food and it has made us soft. Its like they say if slaughter house had glass walls more people would be a vegetarian.

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I've seen that too. Interestingly enough, most people who see the slaughter process continue to eat meat afterwards.

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Originally Posted by fishdip

You are right animals act a lot different when you brake there neck then when you squeeze or cut its neck.

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I will say that in certain instances yes. But as aforementioned, animals and people can have the same effects if they died naturally or of other causes (the groundhog and human).


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Originally Posted by Thalasuchus

Granted that is some gradeschool-level writing but if you click around just a bit you can see it was written by a professor at the University of Louisiana. The info there is kind of sparse (and includes WAY to many "probablies" for my taste)... but that article is also 13 years old.

I stumbled on a feeding video yesterday that might be what you're looking for: http://youtu.be/FFW5Iat82TI?t=1m51s It's a little graphic, but basically the mouse coughs up blood (and its eye looks bloody too) immediately upon constriction and it dies very quickly afterwards. Someone more knowledgeable than me can interject and explain what happened there, whether it's broken blood vessels, cardiac arrest, etc.



I've seen that too. Interestingly enough, most people who see the slaughter process continue to eat meat afterwards.

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To me it looked like from the time it constricted to actual death time was 30 sec.