price dropping

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Gregg. You said the most important comment so far. They are only worth what someone is willing to pay. I have seen this industry go from the basement to the mainsyream and its always the same thing. A morph comes out, it gets mass priduced and the prices drop. It shouldnt be any shock. Supply and demand. And to comment on richs point on care. He is totally right. If you are haggling over a 100 dollar snake that is poor quality there is no way your gonna afford the vet bills. 75 to 125 bucks just to walk in the door. A visit for resp can go through the roof.

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Shenanigans... If the reason breeders insist on keeping prices high is to ensure that the animals are given proper care, and not at all about the money, I have to ask why they give their Normals and Base Morphs away so cheaply, or even for free.

What makes them think those animals will be maintained and cared for any better then a High End animal that was given away or sold cheaply?
It seems the opposite would be true.

Just because someone can afford to drop big money on an "investment" animal, does not mean that they will care for, and provide a better home to that animal, then a hobby keeper would, if it were given to them as a free pet.

One can argue many reasons for high prices, but that one is pure B.S.

Yeah, I do not think most haggle because they cannot afford the full price or for care, they just want a better deal. If someone puts prices firm in the ad or it is a especially rare or fine example, I will not haggle.

Otherwise, I assume there is room to negotiate, and there usually is.

I even see a lot of ads nowadays that even say "negotiable" or "OBRO."

With that said, if I do pay less than advertised or less than market, I keep that to myself.

IVe been haggled on many cheap snakes, I even sold normals and the people wanted cheaper prices.

It says a lot to me when someone comes at me wanting to low ball me few hundred off my price.


It may be pure BS to you, but im not talking about just high priced snakes here. When i list a pastel for $60 and get hundreds of offers asking if ill take $20. Come on now, You want me to believe their trying to get a better deal, or just wanting a snake to toss in a huge tank at home that will end up needing vet care, they more than likely not afford.

Those saying its BS, if 3 or 4 of your snakes got RI over night, do you have the money to take them in right away and pay in full.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Those saying its BS, if 3 or 4 of your snakes got RI over night, do you have the money to take them in right away and pay in full.

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Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by zeion97

How is it pointless? It has more facts then most other threads out there. No one said you had to read it...

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It isn't necessarily pointless. No one has to read it. It's just a topic that regularly pops up. I've been guilty of it as well.

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Originally Posted by JohnNJ

Maybe I'm taking it for granted but I presume all sellers build in a negotiating buffer into their price. A lot of people do not want to pay the asking price and will haggle. Most people will not pay above the going rate but that's ok. The target market for a superior snake is an experienced hobbyist or breeder that's looking for quality, not the average guy.

As an example - does the price of quality dogs go down because of the backyard breeders selling their puppies way below market value? Nope. People that know seek out quality bloodlines. It should work similarly for morphs.

I'm not an expert. I'm just thinking out loud. :)

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Basically they want them for almost nothing,I was selling $100 200g base morphs & they would still go to the flippers & buy. I wholesaled alot of males because it was aggravating me,most people who buy high BPs are breeders not just the normal public,I had a $2500 Firebee on my table the best looking BP at the whole show & I think two people knew what it was lol!!! Also I think the smaller you are the harder it is to sell high end,sure the big guys will buy your stuff & then resell it top dollar!!! I know trust me;)

I am in this for fun, and aside from getting the chance to meet and talk to other keepers around the Country, and some local keepers I was not aware of, I do not enjoy the sales part of the hobby much at all.

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I breed a Lesser Pastel x Cinnamon.
All of the double mutation females are held back, and the triple mutation male if I am fortunate enough to produce it.

Any single or double mutation males, as well as any single gene females, that are not needed in my own collection, are offered for sale/trade at the current "market value" OBRO, with trades preferred.
If there is no interest shown, I gradually lower my asking price, and will go to whatever price I am willing to let that particular animal out of my own collection for.
Oftentimes, I will reduce the price on my own if the other party does not haggle.

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Originally Posted by greghall

Basically they want them for almost nothing...

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No poop , Sherlock! :P

I was interested in a CL item and asked the seller how much they wanted for it. Their reply was how much do you want to pay. I said NOTHING!!!

It's a good deal if it's a good deal for everyone involved. If not, walk away.

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Originally Posted by JohnNJ

No poop , Sherlock! :P

I was interested in a CL item and asked the seller how much they wanted for it. Their reply was how much do you want to pay. I said NOTHING!!!

It's a good deal if it's a good deal for everyone involved. If not, walk away.

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I have all my prices marked on displays if somebody is interested you know it.if somebody told you that well that was ignorant.

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

its good money to me too.... i was just making a coment on how fast the value of these morphs drops.... that makes me wander why they are priced so high in the beginning,,, are they really worth the high price when we all know that in 2 years there gonna be worth half the price.
just some random thoughts
spooky

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I think this is an interesting point. I am thinking about getting in to breeding I am glad I didn't impulse buy the firsy anaxthic I had seen it being priced at the time for $1000 ish now the same dealer is offering anaxthic hatchlings for 450 for a female.