Do all morphs get "head wobble"?

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Originally Posted by Genetics Breeder

I was meaning that people lie about the problems with spiders, I think the bad part is when people lie about there being some extreme problems. There ARE a minority of spiders that have to be force fed or almost constantly wobble.

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People? Who lies about wobble? Any names? 1 person? Everyone who breeds them? Who?

I have been on this forum a while and people who breed spiders will always be the first one to say that they whole spin to a degree, that stress can exacerbate it that it can diminish or increase with age etc............how is that lying?

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Originally Posted by Deborah

People? Who lies about wobble? Any names? 1 person? Everyone who breeds them? Who?

I have been on this forum a while and people who breed spiders will always be the first one to say that they whole spin to a degree, that stress can exacerbate it that it can diminish or increase with age etc............how is that lying?

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The person that started this thread wanted a snake that would not wobble. People after that started saying that they liked the wobble, or that it was cute, or gave the snake personality. I said that they shouldn't underestimate how bad the spider problem can be. They were acting like it is perfectly normal for a snake to have something similar to Parkensons. I don't care if it gets better or worse with age, if an animal EVER has a problem like that, I don't think people should risk getting one with a bad problem by breeding them.

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Originally Posted by Genetics Breeder

The person that started this thread wanted a snake that would not wobble. People after that started saying that they liked the wobble, or that it was cute, or gave the snake personality. I said that they shouldn't underestimate how bad the spider problem can be. They were acting like it is perfectly normal for a snake to have something similar to Parkensons. I don't care if it gets better or worse with age, if an animal EVER has a problem like that, I don't think people should risk getting one with a bad problem by breeding them.

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Your agenda is very clear based on your participation in this thread. You wouldn't be the first and I'm sure you won't be the last. Thank goodness there are others who are able to think independently of you and will make their own decisions.

Post #1, A simple question is asked.

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Originally Posted by yeroc1982

Do all morphs get "head wobble"?

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Post #2, A simple answer is provided.

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Originally Posted by bsash

Nope, the only morph with the known genetic head wobble is the spider, and any of their combinations. Hope that helps some.

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Then this thread derails into 8 pages of :fishslap:

I have absolutely nothing useful or worthwhile to contribute to this thread. I'm just along for the ride... :popcorn:

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Originally Posted by Genetics Breeder

if an animal EVER has a problem like that, I don't think people should risk getting one with a bad problem by breeding them.

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How noble of you to try to protect people by preventing them to get into spiders, I believe buyers should be educated and make decision for themselves ;)

Oh and since you avoided my previous questions I'll ask again ;)

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Originally Posted by Deborah

What is living happily? Beside eating, growing and breeding what do snakes with a good quality of life do that spiders don't? :confused: (Those are snakes they eat they grow they breed should you chose to breed them I am not aware of them doing anything more than that :rolleyes:)

More seriously how do YOU judge the quality of life of spiders and their combos, is that based on YOUR hand on experience working with spiders..........oh wait a minute that can't be since you don't want to work with them. :confuzd:

I can tell you I have a few spiders and spider combos and I am failing to see how their quality of life is any different than the snake in the next tub (the oldest spider has been with me for 5 years now) they don't have a horrible quality of life as you make it sound they don't just survive they THRIVE like any other snake in my collection.

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Originally Posted by Genetics Breeder

The person that started this thread wanted a snake that would not wobble. People after that started saying that they liked the wobble, or that it was cute, or gave the snake personality. I said that they shouldn't underestimate how bad the spider problem can be. They were acting like it is perfectly normal for a snake to have something similar to Parkensons. I don't care if it gets better or worse with age, if an animal EVER has a problem like that, I don't think people should risk getting one with a bad problem by breeding them.

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I own spider's, I breed spider, I've produce spiders and multi-gene Spider combos and I can tell that if spiders aren't your thing, that is perfectly within your right as a keeper and a customer to avoid that gene. I can tell you however that your pissing in to the wind when it comes to trying to tell other people what you think they aught to do with their money based on your experience or lack there of..

I'll be an Honest breeder..Here are some things you need to know about spiders.

#1. They are Ball Pythons aka Royal Pythons
#2. They eat rodents as a diet
#3. They are beautiful animals to behold
#4. ALL SPIDER'S Wobble.
#5. When combined with other genetic deformity's aka morphs they make amazing looking combos like the ones below.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...DSC_0178-1.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_0712.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...mojospider.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_0302.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...p/DSC_0501.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...i/DSC_0064.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...i/DSCF6217.jpg

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I said that it WAS affected by the wobble. Read all of MY posts

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People don't know if it affects their quality of life.

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this is just one of your many contradictions. Which one is it? If I really cared and had so much time on my hands, I could pick apart all your posts, just as you have done to others and mine, all while missing the point as well, but I'm over it. I only revisited this thread because I received a notification and had a couple minutes before class.

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Originally Posted by Genetics Breeder

The person that started this thread wanted a snake that would not wobble. People after that started saying that they liked the wobble, or that it was cute, or gave the snake personality. I said that they shouldn't underestimate how bad the spider problem can be. They were acting like it is perfectly normal for a snake to have something similar to Parkensons. I don't care if it gets better or worse with age, if an animal EVER has a problem like that, I don't think people should risk getting one with a bad problem by breeding them.

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Having the wobble IS normal for spider ball pythons.

You risk getting a snake with a bad problem within EVERY morph.

Your constant comparison to Parkinson's is irrelevant. The spider wobble shares very few symptoms with Parkinson's, and snakes do not have complex enough brains to feel embarrassed, ashamed, frustrated, or unhappy. Comparing the wobble to a human disease is laughable, because humans and snakes experience life so differently from one another.

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Originally Posted by Genetics Breeder

Quality of life-
noun
your personal satisfaction (or dissatisfaction) with the cultural or intellectual conditions under which you live (as distinct from material comfort); "the new art museum is expected to improve the quality of life"

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I am curious about this definition you posted. Since when do snakes concern themselves with the "cultural or intellectual conditions under which they live"? If only I had known my snakes wanted to go to an art museum. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

I am curious about this definition you posted. Since when do snakes concern themselves with the "cultural or intellectual conditions under which they live"? If only I had known my snakes wanted to go to an art museum. :rolleyes:

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You make a very good point. That very definition is irrelevant in this case. They don't have a cultural or intellectual awareness, so it doesn't even apply. :rofl: