Mystery Lesser Clutch? Help ID?

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Originally Posted by jluman

Platinum x hidden gene carrier will produce platinums, lessers, and normal looking animals that carry the hidden gene. The platinum passes either the lesser gene or the hidden gene to it's offspring, regardless of what the other parent is.

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So that means by keeping the "normal" looking sibs and breeding them back to a parent/diff lesser they'll produce more platinums?..I kinda understand the genetics but once you get more techinical I go "blond"..lol...I am wanting to get a lesser and try making some plattys one day....

So point/question is, keeping and breeding back "normal" sibs can produce more plattys right?

Thanks..

The "sibs" are from platinum offspring clutches.

The "Daddy" gene (the one that makes a Lesser x Daddy into a Platinum) is part of the BEL "Complex", in other words it's a gene that codes for a different/altered protein at the same spot as the other ones. So a Platinum just like a BEL has no normal gene at that one spot, instead it carries the Lesser and the Daddy genes at that spot.

Thus a Platinum will only produce Lessers and "Het Daddies" (aka they are heterozygous for the "Daddy" gene). These "Het Daddies" will give you a 25% chance of producing Platinums when bred to a Lesser (just like other Recessive/Co-dom genes). If bred to a Platinum you will get 25% Platinums, 25% Het Daddies, 25% Lessers and 25% Normals.

If you breed 2 Platinums together you can produce 25% BELs, 50% Platinums, and 25% Hom Daddies (which will look like normals but if you breed them to a BEL you will get 100% Platinums, or if you breed them to a Lesser you will get 50% Platinums and 50% Het Daddies).

It's pretty crazy, but if you remember that both the Daddy gene and the Lesser gene are at the same spot (thus they either coexist or you have 1 or the other, or neither) it makes it easier.

Its known that you can produce 25% Butter Daddies if you breed a Butter to a Het Daddy, it it not known if it reacts with Vin Russo Hets/Mojaves/Phantoms.

Yeah, thats what I was assuming (Platty sibs), the sibs WILL be het "daddy", and when bred to lesser theres a chance of producing more...

I understand it alittle better now..lol..I thought boa genetics were complex....lol..

Thanks for that...I love this site.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

The "sibs" are from platinum offspring clutches.

If you breed 2 Platinums together you can produce 25% BELs, 50% Platinums, and 25% Hom Daddies (which will look like normals but if you breed them to a BEL you will get 100% Platinums, or if you breed them to a Lesser you will get 50% Platinums and 50% Het Daddies).

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What does "HOM" stand for in "HOM Daddy" and why does it look like a normal?

~SC

Homozygous. The really odd thing about the hidden aka daddy aka dilute aka sib mutation is that not only do the hets look normal (unlike the het lessers which are visible lessers) even the homozygous hidden remains normal looking (i.e. "hidden"). So it's a mutation you would just have to track through breeding results and/or parentage. One animal you can be sure doesn't have it is a normal lesser because if it did it would be a platy. Also, since it's apparently a mutation of the same gene as lesser/butter, mojave, phantom/mystic, Vin Russo, and mocha keep in mind that any one snake only has two of these (or any) genes total so if it's already say a mystic potion (mystic + mojave) it doesn't have room for a third copy (like hidden or even the normal version of this gene).

Have there been any breedings done using the hidden daddy gene to the other bel complex morphs?..Phantom/Mystic, het russo, mojave..etc? I haven't heard of any so i'm real curious as to if it will take to those other morphs as it does to lessers. Maybe a project worth trying?

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Originally Posted by Chad Hulker

Have there been any breedings done using the hidden daddy gene to the other bel complex morphs?..Phantom/Mystic, het russo, mojave..etc? I haven't heard of any so i'm real curious as to if it will take to those other morphs as it does to lessers. Maybe a project worth trying?

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Ralph Davis has produced a good number of hidden gene x butter and hidden gene x phantom animals, you can see them if you go look in his clutch records on his site. I have a hidden gene x mojave clutch due to hatch around the end of the week, so hopefully we will get to see what happens soon. If the mojave combo turns out cool maybe I will try the het Russo down the road.

when you were candleing the eggs couldyou notice any difference in the "shades".......and around what days if you did.and when did you cut also
im curious now cause i have a 7 egg clutch 4 eggs look normal
around day 30 their color started coming in and could see all the eyes and eye stripes well 4 of the 3 we could see eye stripes and those same 3 you can see hadly no pattern its very faint........
day 40 now and still cant see anything:gj: i know most color come around day 45-60 so crossing fingers

Unfortunately, I am the world's worst candler lol. I never seem to be able to see enough to tell much about the snakes inside. I did cut the eggs though, and I would say that the platinum was obviously different at day 50.

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Originally Posted by jluman

Ralph Davis has produced a good number of hidden gene x butter and hidden gene x phantom animals, you can see them if you go look in his clutch records on his site. I have a hidden gene x mojave clutch due to hatch around the end of the week, so hopefully we will get to see what happens soon. If the mojave combo turns out cool maybe I will try the het Russo down the road.

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So what ere the results?? is there a mojave daddy??