Pat the baby biak green tree python

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

Bf and his dad got super lucky with their pair, they are the most tolerant ETBs I've ever met. I still can't get over how non-bitey and calm they are with handling.



I'll always push for ATBs but that's just because they are one of my favorites. Wanted to make sure you were aware the orange on a 'halloween' phase fades with age (they are a version of normal garden phase).
Red ammies are what got me into ATBs.

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I'm hoping if i get a Northern, i get lucky like your BF and dad did lol. I think i got pretty lucky with Pat as he doesnt have the eat you attitude. He is more curious. So far, i havent been bit by reaching in and changing his little water dishes next to his perches even with him on them next to the water bowls. The most Pat does is perk up and turn his head and look at my hand. But he just sits there or a few times, he just turned back around and laid his head back down on his coils lol.

I like the ATBs but I'm just a sucker for the green snakes. Always wanted them since i was a 12 year old kid looking in the reptile books. So if i get a chance to live the dream twice with either another GTP or an ETB, think i gotta jump on it :)

I think Pat's cage is getting kind of small for him. Little dude has done some serious growing the past 3 months. Has shed 3 times for me and easily is a decent amount bigger than his cage. Caught the little booger out and about tonight doing his rounds. You can see how long he has gotten now. When i got him, he fit in one of those little deli cups with room to spare.
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:OWow! I could have sworn he was a tiny bunch of noodles not too long ago! Amazing how quickly he's growing :D He always looks so stunning against all that green!

Man he’s put some growth on


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I need to make some perches like that for my baby gtp who looks just like Pat probably did a few months ago :)

Love following Pat's adventures!

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Originally Posted by Gio

Ha!

I'm hoping you pull the pin LOL!

Here's the thing, the fact that the species are completely unrelated but have almost exactly the same mannerisms is extremely interesting to me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/c..._evolution.htm


I'd love to hear about what you actually find out in keeping both species.

You have your BCC, Gina will never be equaled, unless the Peruvian is absolutely top of the line.

The ETB's are usually larger than GTP's and they are so beautiful.

I hate to fuel to your "addiction" but I can't do it, so you should LOL!

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Originally Posted by richardhind1972

Man he’s put some growth on


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I know right? I had to take a double take when he was out and about last night. Also he is much more bold. Little guy has some personality now. Last night he was at the front perch just watching me. He would move from left to right and track me lol. I think he was kind of a little chicken when i first got him but now that he has put on some bulk and length and is knows his cage, he is feeling more comfortable.

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Originally Posted by PiperPython

I need to make some perches like that for my baby gtp who looks just like Pat probably did a few months ago :)

Love following Pat's adventures!

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Thanks. I just use oak dowels and a dremel and grind down 2 sides of each end so they slide into the cable clamp mounts. Keeps the perches from spinning and they are still east to remove. One thing though is dont keep the perches wet like misting the whole cage as the oak will eventually start to mold but they are easy enough to replace if they do. If i didnt plan on getting Pat a 3x2x2 or 2x2x2 by end of summer, i would really look into getting some manzanita wood branches and getting those 3M suction cup hooks. But with the PVC cage, i think i will do that instead. I personally love the look of real branches over PVC plus it gives the snake more varied width and more stuff to climb on for enrichment.

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

:OWow! I could have sworn he was a tiny bunch of noodles not too long ago! Amazing how quickly he's growing :D He always looks so stunning against all that green!

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Lol he was. He was so small and only eating pinky mice. Now he is up to larger fuzzy mice. Like i said, i had to do a double take when he was out last night. He was in shed for the past week so i didnt really get to see him much but last night, he was out in force. Took a giant piss and dug around in the Reptile Prime, went in his water bowl to go swimming again and climbed all over the plants lol.

Almost feels like i am power feeding him but he only eats once a week which is what other people have told to stick with as he is a growing baby. Once he is on adult sized food, they told me to cut him back to every 2-3 weeks.

I think Pat is getting hungry. He's been out and about and today, he was sleeping on the front perch under his UVB which he seems to only do when hungry. He was sleeping in a complete goofy way with his head shoved down between his body and the perch. I tried to get a good pic but through the glass didnt turn out well and when i opened the door, he perked right up....which he doesnt do unless hungry lol. You can see his little beezer poking out the bottom of his coils lol.
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Then when i opened the door of the cage, he popped up like a jack in the box and then laid back down when no food was coming haha.
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Been 8 days since dinner so i guess I'll go buy the little booger a fuzzy mouse.

Omg... Gem sleeps like that too sometimes, it makes me laugh! Just looks like a pile of headless poop if someone didn't know what they're looking at LOL.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

I think Pat is getting hungry. He's been out and about and today, he was sleeping on the front perch under his UVB which he seems to only do when hungry. He was sleeping in a complete goofy way with his head shoved down between his body and the perch. I tried to get a good pic but through the glass didnt turn out well and when i opened the door, he perked right up....which he doesnt do unless hungry lol. You can see his little beezer poking out the bottom of his coils lol.
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Then when i opened the door of the cage, he popped up like a jack in the box and then laid back down when no food was coming haha.
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Been 8 days since dinner so i guess I'll go buy the little booger a fuzzy mouse.

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Love it man!

Keep these pictures coming. That's my kind of cage setup!

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Originally Posted by redshepherd

Omg... Gem sleeps like that too sometimes, it makes me laugh! Just looks like a pile of headless poop if someone didn't know what they're looking at LOL.

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Yeah i catch Pat sleeping in all sorts of weird shapes and knots lol. Little weirdo snake.

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Originally Posted by Gio

Love it man!

Keep these pictures coming. That's my kind of cage setup!

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Wait until i get the PVC cage haha. I'm going to deck that one out. Still kicking the idea of either a 3x2x2 or 2x2x2. Kind of leaning towards the 2x2x2 though and if i need to upgrade later, it will give me another reason to get another GTP.

Plan on doing Pat's perches in Manzanita wood and will probably use 3M hooks and drill perpendicular holes on the ends of the perches. Then i can just mount the hooks with a big washer and bolt. I'll be able to easily lift the perches off the hooks and put them back on and being they are on hooks, they wont spin. Then i will probably use cable clamps to secure plastic plants from the ceiling of the cage to make hanging vines.

Still not sure if i want to go full bio with planted plants or just stick to potted plants.

Also still debating on if i want to do LEDs or just pay alittle extra and have Ali make me 2 tops for the cage, one with 2 dome cutouts for a UVB and one for daylight 5k bulb. Then the other top will just be solid if the cutouts dont work out. Also not having the LED put in by them, it gives me room to put the RHP against the back wall in the corner and just drill a hole through the back wall and mount it flush so no wiring is showing.

Still got time though as AP hasnt set a price for their 2x2x2 cages. Omg nm, they just put a price down for them now :)

Ok guys, this isnt usually a pic i show but i was floored at the size of this thing. I woke up to find the deuce of deuces in Pat's cage. Not sure where the little guy was packing this but good god. For reference, the leaf pointing at it is about 1-1.5 inches. It still amazes me the size of deuce snakes drop.
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Pat contemplating the meaning of life....and what a quail Reptilink would taste like :P
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Pat taking a break at night. about 15 mins after lights out and Pat goes bananas all over. He does take about 10 mins breaks in between his laps lol. Think I'm going to go with a 3x2x2 AP cage. Even when just resting, he pretty darn long. You can see the left side of the cage where the plant suction cup is and the right side is just on the other side of the right plant. And he is only about 10 months old. And as much as he loves to run around at night, I think the extra length will do him good as length is more important than height.
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I had my Chondros in 4 foot Neodesha cages and at night they made use of every inch !!

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I had my Chondros in 4 foot Neodesha cages and at night they made use of every inch !!

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I actually did kick around the idea of a 4x2x2 cage for Pat as it would stack on top of the other 4x2 cages thus freeing up space for me. Only problem is the center brace. I imagine trying to shoehorn 4 foot perches out one side would suck. I do it with the shelves no problem but there is also not a snake on the shelf.

Plus i'm not sure how easy it would be to find 4 foot natural wood perches.

The 3x2x2 has a center brace too but offers a single swing door option which I'll have to talk to Ali about when i order it. Maybe the 1 single door option has a different set up to brace the roof or maybe the doorway is narrower? Even with a center brace on the 3x2x2, its almost as deep as it long so getting perches out would be easier.

Lol i love GTPs. Went to feed Pat his weekly mouse and he was curled up on his perch under his heater. I put the mouse out from his face. He turned his face, flicked his tongue and then immediately started going crazy with wiggling the black end of his tail all over the perch next to him haha. I then slowly moved the mouse over to his tail and he zapped it. Little booger must have been really hungry as last week, i fed him a smaller than usual one. Wish i would have known he was going to do what he did, would have loved to have gotten pics or even better a video. Pat is such a character. Almost as much personality as Caesar.

Also, yesterday i went to stir his substrate, pull his plants down and wash them off and stuff. Pat didnt even move the whole time even though he was the only thing in the cage on a perch lol. Well when i went to put the plant back up, i guess i touched him with it and it must have woke him up because he turned around, hissed at the plant and then crawled to the other side of the perch and curled back up and went back to sleep. He is so grumpy when you wake him up. Otherwise, he is pretty relaxed and inquisitive, just dont interrupt his beauty sleep haha.

Alright, time for a new Pat pic. Here he is lounging it up. I know he's awake because he was turned his head to look at my hand when i reached in to change his water on his elevated perch which is by him. I am really surprised the little booger has never taken a shot at me even when my hand was within inches of him. He just turns his head and looks at it and then either sits there or goes back to sleep. When he smells a mouse though, he definitely perks up lol.
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What an awesome critter. I love how his pattern continues through his eyes.

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What an awesome critter. I love how his pattern continues through his eyes.

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Thanks man. He is pretty awesome. Wish i would have gotten into them 30 years ago lol.

Ok, caught Pat out and about at night as it has been a few days since he ate so i think he is cruising around to get his pooper primed as you can see he has a little sausage butt going lol. He usually starts cruising around at day 3-4 after his meal and drops a deuce. But here are some pics to give you an idea of how much this worm has grown. When i got him back on December 27th, I was concerned that the 18x18x18 would be too big for him. Now it's been almost exactly 4 months and now i am thinking he is getting too big for the cage lol. He's like Caesar.....eat, poop, cause trouble, repeat. And he still has no green on him yet. Read some comments from a few guys with biaks and they said, it can take 2 years for them to start changing and last as much as 5 years. They are very slow at changing and usually do it over years rather than days or weeks like other locals. Also they said, biaks are a mixed bag on what they change to. Some keep a lot of yellow, some get a lot of green, some get a mix. That's why they like biaks. It's a surprise with each one but they all tend to be a bit angry lol. Luckily Pat seems pretty laid back. He's just cranky if you wake him up and will hiss at you and move elsewhere to curl back up lol. But anyways, i cant wait to see what colors and pattern this little guy gets.
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Alright, was a nice warm and sunny day today but of course i had limited time. So here is only a couple pics i snapped of Pat for his first day outside. Then we worked on interpersonal skills which he only half heartedly attempted. I could tell he wasnt so much into it as when he gets a little upset, he doesnt bite, he seems to stand up and try and find a higher place to go lol. So i ended up letting him crawl back into his cage. Nice slow baby steps so each outing is enjoying and enriching and not terror and fear. Also he has a little white spot on his head which is kind of hard to see unless you get the right amount and angle of lighting. Could this be the start of Pat changing colors!!??? We will see!!!
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Alright, was a nice warm and sunny day today but of course i had limited time. So here is only a couple pics i snapped of Pat for his first day outside. Then we worked on interpersonal skills which he only half heartedly attempted. I could tell he wasnt so much into it as when he gets a little upset, he doesnt bite, he seems to stand up and try and find a higher place to go lol. So i ended up letting him crawl back into his cage. Nice slow baby steps so each outing is enjoying and enriching and not terror and fear. Also he has a little white spot on his head which is kind of hard to see unless you get the right amount and angle of lighting. Could this be the start of Pat changing colors!!??? We will see!!!
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Neon lights aren't that bright!
Smoking hot.

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Originally Posted by Gio

Neon lights aren't that bright!
Smoking hot.

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Lol yeah Pat is pretty freakin bright. Even in a semi dark room when watching TV, i can still see him/her/it from far away when he is out front playing on his front perches.

She glows in the dark!:O:D

Well i pulled the trigger and talked to Ali and ordered Pat an A10 24x24x36 cage. Ended up just getting the LEDs installed and I'll install my own RHP and figure out a set up for a small UVB tube.

Caught little Pat out being a weirdo tonight. Been 3 days since dinner and like clockwork, he dropped a deuce and piss and is out in force. He was practicing his 'spider snake' across the top of the cage. Bad pic but i had to get it quick as he doesnt sit still too long when its poop night and he is empty lol.
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And to continue the Pat thread, here is lights out for Pat and he is to the races again. I cant wait to get his 2x2x3 AP cage. Going to set up like 5 or 6 perches all different heights so the little booger can climb t his hearts desire.
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I swear, i think my snakes are broken. I feed them nice sized prey like 95% of the time. Dont make them wait too long inbetween meals yet they beg for more ALL the time lol. Louie ate his weaned rat and then struck the glass door every time i walked by the cage for over an hour. Everyone else watched me like a hawk. Caesar followed me around back and forth at the front of the cage even with a decent size lump from the guinea pig in him. And best of all, Pat the garbage can......he ate his biggest meal yet about 6 hours ago and guess what...the little booger is out trying to catch more dinner with his little tail haha. He was wiggling it like a madman and has the giant pupils going haha.
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What a great looking snake Sauzo! I hope not to make the same mistake and wait 30 years to get one ;). The thing is I don't like them green, I wish the would stay yellow all their life. :D

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What a great looking snake Sauzo! I hope not to make the same mistake and wait 30 years to get one ;). The thing is I don't like them green, I wish the would stay yellow all their life. :D

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Thanks. And if you want a yellow snake for a long time, buy a biak. I guess they take forever and a day to change and some actually keep a lot of the yellow. I was told it can take up to 5 years for a biak to completely change. It's a mixed bag with them i heard which is why i guess crossing biaks with other locals to make designer GTPs is pretty popular.

Nice!!:)

Lights out and Pat is up and waiting for dinner lol. I love his little winking emoji face on the top of his head.
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I REALLLLLY can not wait till I have my own in July. I’m hopefully going to be able to get my boy/girl then. Repticon is in Kissimmee in July so I’ll get everything I need there and hopefully S&J Reptiles will have one that I really like, I really want a green/blue locality still learning that aspect of GTPs


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That emoji head stamp is awesome!

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I REALLLLLY can not wait till I have my own in July. I’m hopefully going to be able to get my boy/girl then. Repticon is in Kissimmee in July so I’ll get everything I need there and hopefully S&J Reptiles will have one that I really like, I really want a green/blue locality still learning that aspect of GTPs


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If you are looking for a blue/green one, then get either a sorong type or Jayapura type. Also from what i have been told, reds tend to get more blue as adults. My next GTP i want is a red Sorong type or Jayapura type.

You can also look at designer ones which are usually outcrosses but those tend to be thousands of dollars. Not sure how much you are looking to spend but some of the awesome blues i have seen are going for $3000+ which is a bit out of my range right now lol. Also just because parents were blue doesnt mean baby will be blue. Just remember that.

And yeah, Ian at S&J has nice stuff but you will pay for a red neo lol. I'm hoping to get a red neo around August or so...or maybe an ETB lol.

Pat clearly was not happy with the size food he got a few days ago lol. He usually only comes out to the front perch when hungry at night and caudal lures all night. Today he came out in the day lol. I think his fuzzy mice are getting small. He is probably close to being ready for small hopper mice now. The guy is just a eating, pooping, growing machine lol.
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Pat clearly was not happy with the size food he got a few days ago lol. He usually only comes out to the front perch when hungry at night and caudal lures all night. Today he came out in the day lol. I think his fuzzy mice are getting small. He is probably close to being ready for small hopper mice now. The guy is just a eating, pooping, growing machine lol.
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when do we get a caudal luring video?! [emoji3]

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when do we get a caudal luring video?! [emoji3]

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Haha, I'll have to learn how to make videos with my pocket camera.

His gorgeous little fella , congratulations 💟 just make sure to get some video love to Ceaser as well 😉

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His gorgeous little fella , congratulations 💟 just make sure to get some video love to Ceaser as well 😉

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Lol, that would be a lot of work. Caesar never sits still when out. I could make a video of me giving him some petting though i guess as he is pretty quiet during the petting sessions lol.

Well i found something that pisses Pat off....the computer router lights lol. I was sitting with him on his little perch next to me while i did stuff on the computer and he struck out 2 times at the router with the blinking lights. So i moved and let him sit half on my hand and he calmed down. After about 5 mins of letting him get used to being out of the cage, i offered him back into his front high perch in the cage. He decided he wanted to sit on my hand more lol. After a couple mins of standing there with him on my hand, i kind of coaxed him onto his perch lol.

Ok guys, made a little video here of Pat trying to caudal lure my finger. Sorry about the bad quality and really dark lighting but if i use lights, Pat wont caudal lure lol. But if you watch the right side of his body, you will see his little black tail wiggling on himself and the perch next to him until he gets upset that no food is coming and starts to move at the end of the video lol.
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It says the video is unavailable
Was quite looking forward to seeing this

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Try it now. This is the first video i made so i think i had it set to private instead of just unlisted.

And it's nothing to get excited about lol. It is pretty dark as i really have no idea what im doing with the camera and i cant go bright room as Pat wouldnt caudal lure then.

Yes I can see it now, his little tail is well cute


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Yes I can see it now, his little tail is well cute


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Lol yeah he does this every night. Doesnt matter if he eats or not, he is always out front at night trying to caudal lure me whenever i go over there to look at him haha.

“Why won’t you just COME HERE and eat this worm”