News: 2 die in rock python attack

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Some more sheer idiocy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-hungry.html

The best rated comments, heck the comments in general on this article (and the article itself) really bother me. Why people can't employ common sense and realise that not all snakes are big enough/of the temperament to be any real threat to people, and that NO snakes are evil monsters out to prey on people any chance they get is beyond me.

Hopefully some of you might post on this article like I did so there are at least some comments that aren't of the 'BAN ALL SNAKES IMMEDIATELY - SAVE OUR CHILDREN!!!!' variety.

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One of the things they are ignoring with this call for a ban is that the guy in this case had these snakes illegally despite a ban on constrictors over 3 meters (about 10ft). I've tried too, there's no reasoning with these people and they won't change their mind even if it does come out the snake wasn't responsible.

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Originally Posted by treeboa

It's true they haven't made the report public. They may not even have it ready. They maybe waiting for toxicology reports, etc. Do you have a link to the leak about bite marks? All the reports I've seen only talk about the cause of death as asphyxiatiion.

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Now investigated as possible murder http://www.fox.com.au/fox-news-feed/...investigation/

Interestingly enough as the investigation changes course the media does not report as much on the story. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Now investigated a possible murder http://www.fox.com.au/fox-news-feed/...investigation/

Interestingly enough as the investigation changes course the media does not report as much on the story. :rolleyes:

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What a shocking twist of events! ;)

Actually, the Canadian version of the USFWS actually brought the AFR to this gentleman back in 2002 (I believe) as well as a couple American Alligators around 2000 as he was the only one in the province able to care for the animals with a valid Zoo permit. So he didn't have them illegally...as a matter of fact, the Canadian Government KNEW he was caring for them.

But like everyone else has stated, we need to remain calm until we find all the facts...we can't speculate. Unfortunately the restraint we show isn't shown by the media. Now it's confirmed there were NO bite marks and it's being investigated as a homicide. HMMMM.

There is a lot of public ignorance in Canada right now surrounding a few events in the media - two of which are relative to my personal and professional life. It's frustrating to watch the media take the tiny little brains out of general public's skulls, and wash them with their half ass arguments supported by nothing but fear, bias, ignorance, and malice. You see with cases like this, all the media does is feed on the emotions of people and blatantly ignore facts. They like to support their stances with fuzzy feelings and idealistic, largely unrealistic or at the very least unfair, solutions. It's been a frustrating month to say the least.

Mind you I will say that a few media outlets have reached out to relatively significant individuals (or the other way around) within the reptile community and offered to put our voice out there. Dave from Snake Pit Exotics did a very good interview in London last friday. However, it's a shame that we get a chance to speak long after the damage has been inflicted.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Now investigated as possible murder http://www.fox.com.au/fox-news-feed/...investigation/

Interestingly enough as the investigation changes course the media does not report as much on the story. :rolleyes:

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I'm in Atlantic Canada and I haven't come across any credible news sources saying this is now being treated as a homicide. Thus far, I have chose not to comment at all on this story out of respect for all involved in the tragedy and it being close to home but I'm not convinced that this Australian radio station report is a credible news source and that's a huge accusation to put on a grieving family.

In other newsworthy "news" a meter long ball python was found in a garage :O Apparently the words "seized" and "found" can be used interchangeably. Despite the very poorly written article, the video at least states that BP's are harmless to humans and significantly smaller than the one involved in the N.B. incident...not that it will mean anything to the "snakes are monsters" part of the population.

http://globalnews.ca/news/771936/bal...rth-york-home/

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Now investigated as possible murder http://www.fox.com.au/fox-news-feed/...investigation/

Interestingly enough as the investigation changes course the media does not report as much on the story. :rolleyes:

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I wonder if that's real or something that news station just came up with... I can only seem to find it on the 2 versions of that same news station...

Still it's strange that there hasn't been any updates about this case in the last few days....

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Originally Posted by Kat_Dog

I wonder if that's real or something that news station just came up with... I can only seem to find it on the 2 versions of that same news station...

Still it's strange that there hasn't been any updates about this case in the last few days....

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This coincides with the desert eggs thread, if it was true that a desert laid eggs or a python killed two kids they'd be screaming to high heaven.

What we know then is that the snake didn't do it and they've allowed the evidence of the real killer to be cleaned up because they released the scene.

They didn't scream because they trusted the person who did it. Do we have another Casey Anthony? Helped kill her kids so that she and the shop owner could have an unburdened life?

Who knows. We sure won't know what really happened. But two kids are dead, and destroying a hobby isn't the way towards justice.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

This coincides with the desert eggs thread, if it was true that a desert laid eggs or a python killed two kids they'd be screaming to high heaven.

What we know then is that the snake didn't do it and they've allowed the evidence of the real killer to be cleaned up because they released the scene.

They didn't scream because they trusted the person who did it. Do we have another Casey Anthony? Helped kill her kids so that she and the shop owner could have an unburdened life?

Who knows. We sure won't know what really happened. But two kids are dead, and destroying a hobby isn't the way towards justice.

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I mean, I wonder if it's real that the police are starting a murder investigation, or if the news station made it up.
(Did I interpret your post correctly?)

I'm pretty sure this was carbon monoxide poisoning and not the snake... Everything I've read seems to point away from the snake. Though, the news reporting is so shoddy and focused in the snake, there's no way you could get any real info out of it...

Yeah, not that I hope it was a human or something else, I just hope it isn't the snake...

I hope the report is real, and everyone else is just like "not interesting anymore".

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I have a question/possible scenario. Kids were in the living room right?

Lets say son and dad were in the other room, but kids were sleeping right next to each other. Could the snake have gotten into the room, and looking for something warm, laid on the kids? That's a big animal (100lbs right?) and 100lbs of muscle on a 5 and 7 year old, especially if it managed to get right on their chests/windpipe. If there were any broken bones, or trauma, they could have gone into shock before being able to do anything or scream... and hard to scream if a big snake is on your windpipe. Death throes/panic could have frightened the snake and caused it to defensive bite. It wouldn't need to constrict to cause asphyxiation on two kids that size.

It'd still be the snake who killed them, but freak accident and utterly the fault of the owner for having the snake in something it could get out off, especially if it's happened before.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Dog

I wonder if that's real or something that news station just came up with... I can only seem to find it on the 2 versions of that same news station...

Still it's strange that there hasn't been any updates about this case in the last few days....

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They got their desired scapegoat. Why would they want to go back and admit they possibly jumped the gun?

Haven't had a chance to search for more info to back it up, but hopefully the truth is out there.

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Originally Posted by sunshinenorcas

I have a question/possible scenario. Kids were in the living room right?

Lets say son and dad were in the other room, but kids were sleeping right next to each other. Could the snake have gotten into the room, and looking for something warm, laid on the kids? That's a big animal (100lbs right?) and 100lbs of muscle on a 5 and 7 year old, especially if it managed to get right on their chests/windpipe. If there were any broken bones, or trauma, they could have gone into shock before being able to do anything or scream... and hard to scream if a big snake is on your windpipe. Death throes/panic could have frightened the snake and caused it to defensive bite. It wouldn't need to constrict to cause asphyxiation on two kids that size.

It'd still be the snake who killed them, but freak accident and utterly the fault of the owner for having the snake in something it could get out off, especially if it's happened before.

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The guy said there were no screams, and everyone else says that at least one would have been able to scream. So, I'd look at him a lot more closely.

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If they were laying right next to each other? I'm not talking about him constricting the kids, the 'what if' is if he managed to kill them by just being on their chests, which wouldn't take long. And it's not like snakes are fast predators, so if he killed/squished/did something that put him into shock before moving over to the next kid... IDK. And people in shock act in funny ways. KIDS in shock act in funny ways. Not everyone has a strong fight response to 'omg huge animal is laying on my brother, what do I do', he COULD have just been scared and laid still... and then got squished if the snake moved.

That's even more peculiar than the snake violently attacking the kids.

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"Compressive asphyxia (also called chest compression) is mechanically limiting expansion of the lungs by compressing the torso, hence interfering with breathing. Compressive asphyxia occurs when the chest or abdomen is compressed posteriorly"


"Smothering is the mechanical obstruction of the flow of air from the environment into the mouth and/or nostrils, for instance, by covering the mouth and nose with a hand, pillow, or a plastic bag"




A snake that big would not need to bite or constrict two small kids in order to kill them. 100lbs is more then enough weight to do either of those, especially if the kids were sleeping and still, and right next to each other, and from what I've seen, no one is accounting for shock when they talk about the victims responses. It may take minutes to technically die by either of those methods, but if your body is in shock, you try to hyperventilate and try to breathe, which would speed up the process and probably make you black out and go inert, making it easier to be still enough to be killed.


It may be unusual, but no more unusual then a sociopath (true sociopaths are really, really, really rare btw- do not let TV fool you) killing two kids for no reason and using a snake as a cover. Or a mother killing her kids to get with her best friend, both of which I've seen discussed as legit possibilities.

I'm not blaming the snake at all- if it was the snake, it was just doing what snakes do, not trying to 'be mean or aggressive man killer', which is a heck of a lot more then I can say for some dog attacks or even other exotics. I fully blame the owner for having an animal that big in an enclosure that it had gotten out of before. If anything, I hope its a reality check to someone who wants a big snake because LOL BIG SNAKES ARE SO COOL AND AWESOME LOOK HOW *MANLY* I AM WITH THIS BIG OL' ANIMAL, AREN'T I COOL. Uh no. There are valid reasons for keeping big snakes, but ego boosts are not them.

The only flaw in your highly logical post is that the only real detail officially released is that the COD is asphyxiation. Now, not compression asphyxiation but just asphyxiation which is a condition of severely deficient supply of oxygen to the body that arises from being unable to breathe normally. An example of asphyxia is choking.


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Has the full autopsy report been produced or released? From what I'd understood, it hadn't but only two things had been leaked- the COD being asphyxiation and the bite marks. Which don't say much, or explain anything without the context of other injuries. Someone could have heard 'asphyxiation' and tuned out the rest while writing the report.

If the kids got choked by an adult, there would massive, massive injuries to their necks- internal or external. If they were poisoned by carbon monoxide, there would be skin discoloration. Chest compressions, I'd imagine a lot of trauma to the chest and neck. There'd be popped vessels... there are lots of indicators for different things. Just going 'asphyxiation, must be the adult!' isn't enough. There's not enough that's been released one way or another that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, 'whodunnit'. People were asking how the snake could have done it without waking the kids, so I brought up a scenario where it could have asphyxiated them without constricting.

Something's rotten in the state of Denmark.

Whether or not the snake did kill the kids, I think we all agree that the keeping of this snake in the manner it was kept is not something any of us would condone.

FFS, I insist on corn snakes being kept in locking cages they cannot escape from because I don't want to have to search for them. Let alone a snake over 10 feet that could pose a threat to another person or pet. We usually know enough to have a second competent person to handle such animals as they do remain wild even if we can desensitize them to their fear response to human and they tolerate us interacting with them very well.
None of us I would hope would even consider inviting more children over if there was an escaped large snake unaccounted for.

Long and short the keeper should be charged with negligence at the very least.

Lack of clear information is not helping. But, it seems that the snake is not really even the issue as much as an irresponsible person is. Unless he was unaware the snake had escaped and it had never done so before.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Whether or not the snake did kill the kids, I think we all agree that the keeping of this snake in the manner it was kept is not something any of us would condone.

FFS, I insist on corn snakes being kept in locking cages they cannot escape from because I don't want to have to search for them. Let alone a snake over 10 feet that could pose a threat to another person or pet. We usually know enough to have a second competent person to handle such animals as they do remain wild even if we can desensitize them to their fear response to human and they tolerate us interacting with them very well.
None of us I would hope would even consider inviting more children over if there was an escaped large snake unaccounted for.

Long and short the keeper should be charged with negligence at the very least.

Lack of clear information is not helping. But, it seems that the snake is not really even the issue as much as an irresponsible person is. Unless he was unaware the snake had escaped and it had never done so before.

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I agree. If it was the snake, the snake was being a snake- even if it was constricting and attempting to eat the kids. It's a snake. There's not a lot of cognitive thought in there, definitely not a lot of malice, it's just doing what it does. The owner is the one who should be held responsible, full stop. And usually in cases like this, it IS the owners (or at least, a persons) fault. It's extremely rare that an animal- any animal- kills with out some precursor whether its poor husbandary, poor socialization, poor training, or some combination, or the animal has a neurological issue (I heard a story about this really sweet dog who tore into his owner who had to be hospitalized, dog got put down, and it turned out that he had a tumor that was probably very painful which is most likely why he lashed out). It's very rare for an animal to be truly 'malicious' or 'mean' where it goes out of its way to hurt or be defensive. Most of the time, the situations are what we shape them to be.

http://www.fox.com.au/fox-news-feed/...investigation/

For those who dont wanna click the link ;)

Investigations into two young Canadian brothers thought to be strangled by a python has taken a twist, with police now treating it as a possible murder.

Connor Barthe, 7, and brother Noah, 5, were killed while they slept in an apartment above an exotic pet store, but there were no screams.

It comes after the mother of the pair posted hundreds of photos of her boys taken last year, playing in and cleaning her neighbours snake cage.

Police have stepped up their inquiries, but won’t release further details until full post mortem results are known.

Snake experts have also raised questions stating pythons seeking food always bite first.

John Marais from the African Snake Bite Institute said “if it grabs a kid, you’re going to have more than enough time to scream”.

“You can’t be asleep and be bitten by a python and strangled. That’s impossible,” Mr Marais told News Limited. “You’re going to wake up instantly.”

It’s believed the non-poisonous rock python escaped its enclosure and got into the ventilation system, before slithering into the apartment where the boys were sleeping.

It's about time! That was the most contrived story.... I hope the mother of those kids finds justice and peace.

I'm glad to see they are looking at other possible options besides just the snake. It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this is.

When this happened my coworkers all asked me stuff regarding this and I said from day one that the facts don't add up. Now I'm just being proven right.

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Originally Posted by thedarkwolf25

http://www.fox.com.au/fox-news-feed/...investigation/

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Yeah, this link is from back on the 8th. I haven't seen any other reports of a murder investigation since then. A quick search came up empty. Not sure how accurate this report is.

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Originally Posted by mrkrec

Yeah, this link is from back on the 8th. I haven't seen any other reports of a murder investigation since then. A quick search came up empty. Not sure how accurate this report is.

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Ya, I looked around yesterday and didn't find any other sources backing this up. Does anyone know of a link stating the autopsy reports? All I found was that the children has been asphyxiated, but that further testing was required.

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I tried searching for additional articles about a murder investigation (or anything besides "snake strangled two boys"), but couldn't find anything.

I think the fact that they are taking their time proves they are looking at it as a murder. If they had real evidence against the snake, it would not hurt them, especially with public opinion, to move fast. When a human is suspected they are likely to take their time and not make their investigation public.

As for the legality of him have the snake and other animals, if you read the article I linked to earlier it says he was given those animals 10-13 years ago when he owned a "zoo". In 2006 he no longer ran the zoo and didn't apply for permits to keep the snakes and crocodilians after that. I think he would have been denied them without being a "zoo" and keeping them in a private residence from what I've read.

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Originally Posted by treeboa

I think the fact that they are taking their time proves they are looking at it as a murder. If they had real evidence against the snake, it would not hurt them, especially with public opinion, to move fast. When a human is suspected they are likely to take their time and not make their investigation public.

As for the legality of him have the snake and other animals, if you read the article I linked to earlier it says he was given those animals 10-13 years ago when he owned a "zoo". In 2006 he no longer ran the zoo and didn't apply for permits to keep the snakes and crocodilians after that. I think he would have been denied them without being a "zoo" and keeping them in a private residence from what I've read.

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They already said it was asphyxiation .. What other info are they supposed to release? I don't mean to be Debbie downer here, but it looks like the case has been closed.

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Originally Posted by mrkrec

They already said it was asphyxiation .. What other info are they supposed to release? I don't mean to be Debbie downer here, but it looks like the case has been closed.

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They haven't given an actual cause of death. Asphyxiation can be caused by a lot of things, CO2, hanging, manual strangulation, compression, being constricted by a snake, and probably some I'm not thinking of. If it was by constriction, it would be obvious. There would be bite marks, broken ribs, obvious bruising in the area, etc. My point was that if these were present, what reason would there be to wait for further tests, like toxicology? If the case was closed the store owner would have been charged with something. At the very least he would be guilty of endangering children and negligence for not having the snake properly secured. If they're thinking murder, you bet they are going to wait for all tests and thoroughly investigate. I'm thinking that's why we haven't heard anything further and haven't seen anything done yet.

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Originally Posted by treeboa

They haven't given an actual cause of death. Asphyxiation can be caused by a lot of things, CO2, hanging, manual strangulation, compression, being constricted by a snake, and probably some I'm not thinking of. If it was by constriction, it would be obvious. There would be bite marks, broken ribs, obvious bruising in the area, etc. My point was that if these were present, what reason would there be to wait for further tests, like toxicology? If the case was closed the store owner would have been charged with something. At the very least he would be guilty of endangering children and negligence for not having the snake properly secured. If they're thinking murder, you bet they are going to wait for all tests and thoroughly investigate. I'm thinking that's why we haven't heard anything further and haven't seen anything done yet.

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Originally Posted by mrkrec

They already said it was asphyxiation .. What other info are they supposed to release? I don't mean to be Debbie downer here, but it looks like the case has been closed.

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Not to be rude here, but if you're going to go against the grain here you might want to do some research so you have ground to stand on instead of the guy below you making you seem like somebody who needs to re-attend middle school.

Like he said asphyxiation can be caused by numerous things, it doesn't automatically mean snake. Please don't try to be more "media" and do your research next time.

A friend of mine who is a police officer told me an autopsy will tell the difference between asphyxiation and strangulation I think there is more to this story. Its another case of the media feeding on peoples fear of snakes to get ratings.

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What I want to know is what KIND of asphyxia was the cause of death, if it was not compressive then it was not from the snake.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Not to be rude here, but if you're going to go against the grain here you might want to do some research so you have ground to stand on instead of the guy below you making you seem like somebody who needs to re-attend middle school.

Like he said asphyxiation can be caused by numerous things, it doesn't automatically mean snake. Please don't try to be more "media" and do your research next time.

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I have done the research. And that link from above, the same one posted earlier, is from the 8th. And it's the only one that talks about a murder investigation. No other major news outlet has mentioned it....

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Originally Posted by sorraia

I tried searching for additional articles about a murder investigation (or anything besides "snake strangled two boys"), but couldn't find anything.

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Same here. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by mrkrec

I have done the research. And that link from above, the same one posted earlier, is from the 8th. And it's the only one that talks about a murder investigation. No other major news outlet has mentioned it....

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exactly. because murders happen every day. a 100 pound snake killing two boys does not. a snake story spreads like wildfire and boosts ratings. a double homicide (not to sound insensitive), happens much more frequently and does not. the news channels want the story that sells.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Not to be rude here, but if you're going to go against the grain here you might want to do some research so you have ground to stand on instead of the guy below you making you seem like somebody who needs to re-attend middle school.

Like he said asphyxiation can be caused by numerous things, it doesn't automatically mean snake. Please don't try to be more "media" and do your research next time.

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I hope I'm wrong, and the snake was innocent, but right now it looks like it was a freak occurrence and an irresponsible snake owner.

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

exactly. because murders happen every day. a 100 pound snake killing two boys does not. a snake story spreads like wildfire and boosts ratings. a double homicide (not to sound insensitive), happens much more frequently and does not. the news channels want the story that sells.

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So you're saying it was in fact a double homocide commited by someone in the house, not the snake, but the media doesn't care cause the snake story is better for ratings?

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Originally Posted by mrkrec

So you're saying it was in fact a double homocide commited by someone in the house, not the snake, but the media doesn't care cause the snake story is better for ratings?

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i'm not saying that's what it IS for sure. apparently the guy hasnt been charged with it. all i'm saying is "snake kills two boys" will get every news station and their mother reporting it. "double homicide being investigated," not so much.

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

i'm not saying that's what it IS for sure. apparently the guy hasnt been charged with it. all i'm saying is "snake kills two boys" will get every news station and their mother reporting it. "double homicide being investigated," not so much.

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Sure, that's possible. The media loves to have a villain, and snakes are perfect for that, in the view of the public.

I just did another quick search, and on the 7th, the reports were that they were still investigating what happened, and haven't gotten the full report back yet.

My issue was with the link posted above, that isn't current, as of today , the 15th. No need to post links from a week ago , IMO.

I'm a big snake owner and breeder, I own several large constrictors the largest being 18ft and approx 140lbs as pointed out there are many holes in the story...

Cause of death listed as asphyxiation- which a constrictor snake would not cause in a child of that size...
No known bite marks (rumors, but none are actually confirmed).
The odds of a highly terrestrial and moderately heavily built snake going up a sheet metal style vent system.... Highly unlikely.
The snake crashing through the ceiling, and after all that, seeking out/attacking anything...
The snake according to records was fed 2 decent meals 4 days before the incident... going after 2 huge prey items? Doubt it..

Now- what people need to realize- the snake was found in the room with dead boys = instant story, ratings, hits etc. If the snake comes out the bad guy = news keeps reporting instantly/quickly because lets face it, big snake killing 2 children sells very well, you better believe if evidence would have come back against the snake it would be all over, we only had a very brief media storm over the first facts... nothing else.

Now, it would be extremely easy for a coroner to determine the snake was cause of death, massive bite marks, bruising, etc etc. It would be very obvious, they would have no problem releasing this information readily because no foul play is involved here...

If the snake was innocent (as all signs do point), they wouldn't release any info, because it's a criminal investigation at this point, they don't feel like they can accurately blame the animal for the crime, and can't release that. Lets say it comes back as double homicide, CO2 etc... That won't make TV.. You think the news wants to get on prime time and say "It turns out the snake was innocent, CO2 or the owner killed the boys". The media would look stupid, they wouldn't have their evil snake to paint a picture of, and the story wouldn't be nearly as enthralling for viewers to talk about..

It would take a complete fool to look at this case and think the snake caused the death of these 2 kids based on the information currently provided. That is just fact.

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I'm a big snake owner and breeder, I own several large constrictors the largest being 18ft and approx 140lbs as pointed out there are many holes in the story...

Cause of death listed as asphyxiation- which a constrictor snake would not cause in a child of that size...
No known bite marks (rumors, but none are actually confirmed).
The odds of a highly terrestrial and moderately heavily built snake going up a sheet metal style vent system.... Highly unlikely.
The snake crashing through the ceiling, and after all that, seeking out/attacking anything...
The snake according to records was fed 2 decent meals 4 days before the incident... going after 2 huge prey items? Doubt it..

Now- what people need to realize- the snake was found in the room with dead boys = instant story, ratings, hits etc. If the snake comes out the bad guy = news keeps reporting instantly/quickly because lets face it, big snake killing 2 children sells very well, you better believe if evidence would have come back against the snake it would be all over, we only had a very brief media storm over the first facts... nothing else.

Now, it would be extremely easy for a coroner to determine the snake was cause of death, massive bite marks, bruising, etc etc. It would be very obvious, they would have no problem releasing this information readily because no foul play is involved here...

If the snake was innocent (as all signs do point), they wouldn't release any info, because it's a criminal investigation at this point, they don't feel like they can accurately blame the animal for the crime, and can't release that. Lets say it comes back as double homicide, CO2 etc... That won't make TV.. You think the news wants to get on prime time and say "It turns out the snake was innocent, CO2 or the owner killed the boys". The media would look stupid, they wouldn't have their evil snake to paint a picture of, and the story wouldn't be nearly as enthralling for viewers to talk about..

It would take a complete fool to look at this case and think the snake caused the death of these 2 kids based on the information currently provided. That is just fact.

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Article from 2 days ago..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...s-escaped.html

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Article from 2 days ago..

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...s-escaped.html

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Human error at the start of the article, then it phases into "I've kept other snakes in there just fine, this one though was a 'vicious' demon that somehow figured out exactly what it needed to do to escape and did it."

While I believe that some snakes are genuine escape artists, he'd this snake for 13 years, and should have known its habits by now. If it liked to try to find a way out, leaving a fan vent open is not the way to prevent such an escape.

Just sad because this should have been entirely preventable. The way he makes it sound, that fan hasn't been in its proper place for a long time now, since he "can't remember" when it came out. He should be charged with neglect and reckless endangerment, if nothing else. Can't claim to charge him for anything more than that, but if more evidence comes forward that makes this situation worse, they'll have something to build on.

I like how they're jumping to conclusions while there is "still an on going criminal investigation". Obviously that means the snake didn't do it, or they'd have closed it after they euthanized the snake.

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