Big News Coming Tomorrow!

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Originally Posted by Family Reptiles

Another picture of the female on eggs. Sorry I didn't add a message to the picture I just posted. She was bred to a pinstripe male. She is back on food and doing very well. Eggs are due to pip around 8/2/13. Certainly no guarantee that everything is going to go perfectly, but so far it is looking good.

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Any updates with this clutch? I think we're all squirming around in our seats.
If everything is still hush-hush, can you at least tell us just if they have hatched?
Thank you.

I subscribed a month ago, should I still say....

Subscribed?

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i'm curious about this as well.. you would think if they hatched deserts they would be excited to update everyone.. at least i know i would. but i'm a forum junkie. :P

It's only been a month since this thread was first created. I'm guessing they have another month to go. Patience....

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Yea, i'm really questioning it... The pastel desert on this page looks different than your female. A lot more blushing:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/07/qyqyzena.jpg
http://www.albeysreptiles.com/desert07_1.htm

I think you just have a citrus pastel, no desert.

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Originally Posted by interloc

This is a pic of the same snake from another thread.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/07/uqavu2ev.jpg

I think the photo of the snake on eggs wasn't really taken with the greatest care due to eggcitment. Lol. And if the snake came from Amir (like it sounds to me) I would say, I would trust his judgement on if the desert in there. Just my .02

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Definitely NOT the same snake in these two pictures.

im not excited at all.

if the breeding of desert females most times just doesnt work, and sometimes ends in disaster and the death of the female, and in this one rare case it works.... So what? Now lets say it works. It will cause others to also try, which will most likely lead to failed clutches and potentially even a few dead desert females. Now lets say the odds are good and new female deserts are produced in this clutch, of course they will be raised up and breeding will again be tried. What if everything goes wrong then? What if this one female produced this one healthy clutch, but then all further attempts to produce a second clutch fail?

for me to be excited about it would require the production of a super desert. As far as we know, its the female fertility issues that prevent the production of a super desert, apart from that it may be entirely possible to produce one.

why take all the risk, why risk the health of a BP, when there is no real reward at the end? Why do it, if you produce nothing that cannot be produced by using a male desert?

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Originally Posted by MarkS

It's only been a month since this thread was first created. I'm guessing they have another month to go. Patience....

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As I quoted above, Family Reptiles' desert female's clutch was due to pip on August 2, 9 days ago. We're all just hoping for the promised updates, and hoping again that they don't just disappear.

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Originally Posted by Shadera

As I quoted above, Family Reptiles' desert female's clutch was due to pip on August 2, 9 days ago. We're all just hoping for the promised updates, and hoping again that they don't just disappear.

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Yea they should be out by now, lets see them!

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Originally Posted by Shadera

As I quoted above, Family Reptiles' desert female's clutch was due to pip on August 2, 9 days ago. We're all just hoping for the promised updates, and hoping again that they don't just disappear.

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Sorry, I was thinking more about the original poster Witchbane who started this whole thread, I'd forgotten about Family Reptiles. You're right though. If they've already hatched, they should post about it whether it's good news or bad.

Well if you are going to Daytona next weekend you can probably ask them face to face as I am sure they will be vending there. I will be sure to ask them to see what they say.

I feel like I smell BS here given how far past the expected pip we are. If they were the true first offspring from a female desert I feel like someone here would have heard about it by now.

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

I feel like I smell BS here given how far past the expected pip we are. If they were the true first offspring from a female desert I feel like someone here would have heard about it by now.

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I disagree. With the circus surrounding this issue, I wouldn't blame them for waiting until the hatchlings have shed and fed before posting more about them.

They also aren't regular members of this forum, so may have forgotten this particular thread. Has anyone checked the BLBC or fauna?

OP's snake laid her eggs on 7/5 so we wouldn't hear anything about them just yet. I missed when the other female laid her eggs.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Again, when you're right you're right. Call me what you want, but surely we'd hear about it by now. They'd scream to the high heavens if it was a desert.

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not necessarily. I've never felt the need to shout anything to the heavens, although I hope I'm seized by such passion one day. most people don't feel compelled to share their pairings and breeding stats with the forums. especially when Family Reptiles only signed on to bp.net in support of someone else's (potential) desert clutch. we get lucky with the benefit of many experienced people willing to share ideas and information. even though I would probably share the outcome, there's no obligation to post results.

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Originally Posted by wwmjkd

not necessarily. I've never felt the need to shout anythin to the heavens, although I hope I'm seized by such passion one day. most people don't feel compelled to share their pairings and breeding stats with the forums. especially when Family Reptiles only signed on to bp.net in support of someone else's (potential) desert clutch

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And I get that, but anyone can feel hype even over the Internet. I just feel like the result would be all over the hobby by now.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

im not excited at all.

if the breeding of desert females most times just doesnt work, and sometimes ends in disaster and the death of the female, and in this one rare case it works.... So what? Now lets say it works. It will cause others to also try, which will most likely lead to failed clutches and potentially even a few dead desert females. Now lets say the odds are good and new female deserts are produced in this clutch, of course they will be raised up and breeding will again be tried. What if everything goes wrong then? What if this one female produced this one healthy clutch, but then all further attempts to produce a second clutch fail?

for me to be excited about it would require the production of a super desert. As far as we know, its the female fertility issues that prevent the production of a super desert, apart from that it may be entirely possible to produce one.

why take all the risk, why risk the health of a BP, when there is no real reward at the end? Why do it, if you produce nothing that cannot be produced by using a male desert?

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Is Super Desert not only a speculative possibility. Not proven to be either dominant or incomplete dominant(codom) with any degree of certainty other than it must be one of the two.

As for why it is important, it is a stellar looking morph that has not seen its' full potential due exclusively to the sterility/breeding issues with females.
If this turns out to be a line of Desert or a desert lookalike without the same problem, projects will explode offering enthusiasts new healthy combinations.
If it is instead a case of one morph cancelling out the small oviduct problem growth will be much slower since there is little known about morphs causing unusually large oviducts.

Just an update for everyone. The eggs are doing well and are due around the 5th of next month respectfully. As things progress I'll keep everyone updated regardless of the outcome be it a Desert that crawls from the eggs (which I have faith in) or something else (which I doubt). For the record as well, when I did a Google search for "pastel deserts" a few weeks back and this photo came up in the mix which looked interesting.

Regards,

Joe

Cross Exotics

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...sertPastel.jpg

Nope, i'm with kodie. I came off like a {removed} in this thread calling both of them out but i still think i'm right. Anna said that she saw family reptiles female desert in person at a show or something and said it looked like a desert. I respect her opinion but I still disagree.

If i had hatched deserts i'd be posting them everywhere. They were the ones who came here and built it up that they'd have them. Now their clutch is like a week past hatch date and they're still MIA. I can see the other side of it though too, wanting to keep it a secret. I just wouldn't do it that way, personally.

I expect witchbane to update us as soon as his crawl out of the eggs!! :p

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Nope, i'm with kodie. I came off like a {removed} in this thread calling both of them out but i still think i'm right. Anna said that she saw family reptiles female desert in person at a show or something and said it looked like a desert. I respect her opinion but I still disagree.

If i had hatched deserts i'd be posting them everywhere. They were the ones who came here and built it up that they'd have them. Now their clutch is like a week past hatch date and they're still MIA. I can see the other side of it though too, wanting to keep it a secret. I just wouldn't do it that way, personally.

I expect witchbane to update us as soon as his crawl out of the eggs!! :p

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Hatch date at what temperature?
It is my understanding that one of the theories regarding these snakes is husbandry and hatching could require cooler temps. Just throwing it out there. I remain skeptical but hopeful.
And, as I've said before I honestly don't mind if it is a Desert look-alike that they are onto or an actual Desert. IMHO Desert pattern blows Enchi out of the water, so any snake new or old with that appearance and few to minimal problems is going to capture my interest.

Don't know if anyone watched Snake Bytes today, but they showed a pastel desert.

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2.5 weeks after hatch date, still waiting on those deserts.... :D ;)

I'll do back flips for an update.

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Originally Posted by crystlew123

Uh....so there are
Women who shouldn't have babies because their bodies are unable to give birth naturally? Who are you to say who or what can and cannot be bred.

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I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but :rofl:

As one of those darned infertile women, I'm going to vote no, I should not be bred. Although it never occurred to me to label myself "pet quality," going to go warn the DH that he's stuck with an expensive decorative pet. :D

Seriously though, enough with the argumentative sniping, it's put me off checking up on this thread because it's so irritaing to wade through, which is sad because I'm genuinely curious to see how this all turns out.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

2.5 weeks after hatch date, still waiting on those deserts.... :D ;)

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Mike did you fail math? They aren't due still begining of Sept.;)

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Mike did you fail math? They aren't due still begining of Sept.;)

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We are of course talking about the Family people's clutch, not the thread starters.

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I'm talking about family reptiles clutch.

Did you fail english, raul? Read the whole thread and try to keep up with me! :D :rofl:

Family Reptiles posted an update on their desert clutch status post on facebook saying that the eggs hatched and are healthy. The didn't reveal anything else yet.

https://m.facebook.com/pages/Family-...00002495267687

I'm curious to what hatched out.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I'm talking about family reptiles clutch.

Did you fail english, raul? Read the whole thread and try to keep up with me! :D :rofl:

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So they hatched but no details? the plot thickens:tears:

I asked family reptiles directly at Daytona and they stated they weren't releasing any more information until the other clutches hatched / released info. All they would say is all hatched / healthy >_<

Why would they wait until the other clutches hatch? That makes zero sense to me. With something like this, why wouldn't you want to be able to claim you're the first breeder whose done this successfully? This is a HUGE deal. The sooner that they release info, the sooner it could prevent more desert females from being bred.

I am curious to see how this pans out... and there has been a lot of waiting involved.

I try not to check up on the thread too often so I don't go mental waiting to hear/see the results.

I happened to be standing at their table when they were asked about the clutch.

The reply was that they were healthy but they could not tell if any were positive DG's.... not that it was a secret, but they could not physically conclude there were any or not.

Wait DG's...? DG stands for desert ghost, doesn't it...?

So, it wasn't a desert.

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Wait DG's...? DG stands for desert ghost, doesn't it...?

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I stand corrected.... meant Deserts. Sorry to get everyone's panties rustled.

whoa i just got so confused for a minute lol.

Ok so they said they couldnt tell if any of the babies were desert? Thats probably because IMO the desert gene wasnt in that dam. Did they ever answer my question of where they got their desert from? We know who the OP's citrus desert came from.

This is what Family Reptiles said on their facebook page when asked about the hatchlings " All babies have hatched and doing very well. We have been talking with other breeders of deserts and are not going say anything else until we more details on what we need to do next. Thank for all your support." Yet at the show they said that they could not identify a Desert in the clutch. So which is it? My comment to them was "With a comment such as your last one here it casts some serious doubt on the claims made. I am in no position to say what has happened but not a single question has been answered and you are now saying the babies hatched but you will not even show a picture of them to back this up? One single picture of them hatching and showing a desert in the clutch would stop most everyone from bothering you. I am now of the belief that this was all false based on your lack of communication on this." Both were made within the past 24 hours and there has been no reply at all from them. My mind is made up from this. I do not know how to link to the picture but if you search family reptiles on facebook you can find the pic and see the comments. All through out they said they would post pictures as soon as they hatched and then this.

Unfortunately this isn't Family Reptiles thread so you can't fault them for not posting updates here but judging by their coments on facebook I've lost my optimism about their clutch. I don't think they lied about anything but I have a feeling their girl might not be a Desert. Here is our Desert (PE line) at just under 1,000g. I just don't see the similarly.

http://demarcoreptiles.com/ourcollec...ales/h61fa2b3d

cant say im surprised... hmmmm.... now for the OP's clutch to hatch!

I'm not surprised either. Their silence right now is speaking volumes lol

Family reptiles is pretty shady when you ask them about it. Tried talking to them in Daytona and they just change the subject.. i got a weird vibe about it..They are like robots they all greet you the same and ask all the same questions and I just enjoy real customer service not feeling like I'm just another number. Ever meet one of those people who you just get creeped out by like they are overly friendly and just act fake and put on the goodie goodie face when you interact with them? THAT is how family reptiles has been the few times I have met them. And now how this relates to the topic...they seem like they would want in on the party and be like "oh yeah? I've got one of those too" just to get some spotlight..Then after it's said and done we can't prove them wrong but they won't provide proof to back up their story either. Silence speaks volumes though.

I asked the lady at their table about it and the she said they were not really sure if there were any deserts in the clutch. There was one that was kind of light and we just don't know so we are waiting for them to shed but they are doing very well. So I pretty much figured there probably were no deserts in the clutch. If it was me and I hatched one I would have had it at the show as the first desert hatched from a female desert. Hope the OP hits a couple.

I wonder if the OP and Family bought their "deserts" from the same person.

I think i asked family reptiles twice in this thread who they got their "desert" from but their response was "they're keeping the details private until other clutches hatch out etc. etc."

It's been almost 3 weeks, how long does it take for the babies to have their first shed...?

They NEED to divulge the information to the herp community or more female deserts (actual deserts) will be bred and die.

I think the lack of a solid response gives us the answer we are all looking for. Why dart around the issue? Just spit it out- we did, or did not prove it out :confusd:

As to the OP I do not dispute what they have said I only dispute what was said by Family Reptiles. Just wanted to toss that one out there. I am hoping the OP hatches some deserts from that female and I hope that we can all learn from it and be able to breed them.

Can we avoid the personal remarks and character assassination please?

It isn't particularly helpful at this stage I don't think.

As I recall, this thread already got split into the Quarantine Room once....

Maybe we'll end up with a double play...:P

Jsmorphs2 you can't compare your pic to their pic as it look like you had a good camera and good lighting. Put your snake in a tub with bad lighting and take a pic with your cell phone and than compare even both pics of your snake.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/22/8a8ajage.jpg

Still not the same.

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