WC Gravids?

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

And yet you would still end up producing norms, or hets.



Really? So if we stopped importing today all my snakes would disappear with a poof? NO. Wake up. At what point is enough enough? If we already have a sustainable gene pool within a captive population, why keep importing in such huge numbers? I'm not against all importing, I AM against the sheer greed that has been going on for the last few years as more and more middlemen try and make a quick buck.


~Kat

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You did miss my point. But another way i look at is the people of africa can either collect and sell these snakes for money to live on, or they can eat them to live off of.

I am on the fence of importing, there are always two compelling sides...and there always evils on both sides.

And the person i quoted didn't specify a point in time.

This whole snake business is very similar to the mafia!

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Originally Posted by Albey

I am with Kat on this. Leopard geckos used to by imported into this country in the thousands every year. They haven’t been imported in about ten years now. I sure haven’t seen a shortage of Leopard Geckos lately or any shortage of very cool morphs to choose from. It is time to limit the importation of Captive Hatched and Wild Caught Ball Pythons now. As far as selling Wild Caught Gravid Females goes, only the truly worse of the worse would offer those. :colbert:

Buy Captive Bred and Born from a real breeder and just say NO to a Flipper now!:salute:

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Fantastic post Albey!

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Originally Posted by Albey

I am with Kat on this. Leopard geckos used to by imported into this country in the thousands every year. They haven’t been imported in about ten years now. I sure haven’t seen a shortage of Leopard Geckos lately or any shortage of very cool morphs to choose from. It is time to limit the importation of Captive Hatched and Wild Caught Ball Pythons now. As far as selling Wild Caught Gravid Females goes, only the truly worse of the worse would offer those. :colbert:

Buy Captive Bred and Born from a real breeder and just say NO to a Flipper now!:salute:

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QFT :gj:

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Also, one thing a lot, ok, ALL of the posters to date have missed, is that it isn't JUST us, here in the USA, that are involved in selling ball pythons for money. You people are awfully egocentric.

What about Ongo and Tongo and their families who, if these two brave snake hunters don't go catch snakes? What about them?

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Yep, that's what my mother always says... "eat your food! There are a lot of starving kids in China, you know"
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Okay, just so you know, I have no objection to WC, gravid or otherwise, only because I think capitalism and the free market can regulate itself if left alone. I, personally, will not purchase WC or CH, unless the snake is really stunning and is not available otherwise. So, anybody flipping WC obviously has a market otherwise, they wouldn't find money in doing it. As long as the market is available, it will continue... it will eventually dry out once people get more education on the cons of WC versus CB or when the time comes that we can find the same exact snakes locally at the price we are willing to pay for. Regulation is fine, but it is not efficient... we know this by the perfect example of ASF's being illegal in Georgia. The government is too slow to react to market changes and hobby maturation.

the next step of limiting would be limiting how many are produced in captivity.

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Originally Posted by redpython

the next step of limiting would be limiting how many are produced in captivity.

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I've never heard of that happening. Do you know of any species that they restrict how many are produced in captivity?

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Originally Posted by redpython

the next step of limiting would be limiting how many are produced in captivity.

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Sure isn't stopping the Leopard Gecko breeders...

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Originally Posted by anatess

Pardon me for standing on my soapbox... I try to dust it off now and then...





You know, I just shake my head everytime somebody - in any situation, like WC bp's, deer hunting, moose hunting or whatever - tries to justify it by saying, "we're just trying to control the population." or "we're trying to promote species health through survival of the fittest".
Population control and strength of the species is something Mother Nature is designed for. Anything we do to change nature's design has to be thought of long and hard because anything we do has environmental impacts all over that, unless we are experts on the field, can have drastic and sometimes irreparable undesired results. This news item is a perfect example of this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/...it_infestation

So, I tend to throw all those amateur "controlling population" reasons to the junk pile as some idiot trying to justify his idiot behavior without even bothering to really understand what they are trying to do. Too much to do, too little time, ya know.

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this post is so unfounded and the link is utter crap if you read it they rounded up every cat on the island this by now means compares to that.

as for hunting every person who hunts my farm limits out every year LEGALLY and the last day of the season i saw another 30+ deer going to my place. and these animals will do just what your article says they would strip the land and make all other animals die off! if you wanna spend more time worrying about something perhaps you should worry more about deforestation world wide.

also then if all that goes together why dont we stop feeding other nations! let them starve also its not our fault they overpopulated

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Originally Posted by redpython

the next step of limiting would be limiting how many are produced in captivity.

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It could go the way of Ca. Native Reptiles. I have to have a permit to breed and sell them. To get that permit I have to tell fish and game how many of each species I have, how many eggs are laid, how many of those eggs hatch and to whom I sell those babies. This has been going on for 20 years now but it is only one step away from limiting how many I can produce.

It already limits how many I can have and stipulates a time limit in which I must disperse the babies I have produced.

I suspect that were something along those lines written for ball pythons it would be more not less, restrictive.