multiple snakes in same tank

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I believe it was littleindiangirl who said ball pythons were NOT social. Aren't they found in large numbers inside termite mounds and anthills? How could a non-social animal live in such a way?

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From what I've read, it's about 2 ball pythons per ACRE, something like that.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

How can you be so certain that benefits to the keeper are detrimental to the kept? Do YOU have any personal experience? Or, are you too, merely parroting what has been told to you by others who also have no personal experience?

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I don't know if you've read the rest of this thread, but we've pretty much beat the topic you are bringing right back up, to death. Why are you so hostile? Goodness me.

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Originally Posted by missi182

I don't know if you've read the rest of this thread, but we've pretty much beat the topic you are bringing right back up, to death. Why are you so hostile? Goodness me.

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Hostile? Perhaps you have a different definition of that word than some others. Why don't you go double check while I try to educate myself.

Of course, if you are implying that because YOU are finished there is nothing more to say, well, that is another thing entirely.

Which was it? Was your definition wrong or were you saying that when you're done everyone else should be too?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Hostile? Perhaps you have a different definition of that word than some others. Why don't you go double check while I try to educate myself.

Of course, if you are implying that because YOU are finished there is nothing more to say, well, that is another thing entirely.

Which was it? Was your definition wrong or were you saying that when you're done everyone else should be too?

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I am not saying in any way that this thread is done, You are arguing points that have already been arguing and trying to pick a fight it seems. You are jumping down peoples throats (like myself) and there is no reason for it.

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Originally Posted by Skoalbasher

From what I've read, it's about 2 ball pythons per ACRE, something like that.

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That's interesting. Where did you get that? Seriously, I'd like to do some reading myself.

thanks

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Originally Posted by wilomn

That's interesting. Where did you get that? Seriously, I'd like to do some reading myself.

thanks

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Ok, I was a little off, it's a little bit less dense than that.

http://www.stevegorzulapresents.com/...thon_ghana.pdf

Says 2.34 ball pythons per 1 hectare, which is more like 2 ball pythons per 2 acres.

So in conclusion, 1 ball python per acre. That's not very sociable I wouldn't think.

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Originally Posted by Skoalbasher

Ok, I was a little off, it's a little bit less dense than that.

http://www.stevegorzulapresents.com/...thon_ghana.pdf

Says 2.34 ball pythons per 1 hectare, which is more like 2 ball pythons per 2 acres.

So in conclusion, 1 ball python per acre. That's not very sociable I wouldn't think.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you did not read the report you are citing.

If you had you would have noticed, I hope, two things.

First, they ONLY looked at farmland, a small percentage of what was available.

Second, after finding one or two snakes, they stopped looking for others.

The study, as far as density is concerned, is worthless.

It does not take into account seasonal variations, climatic variations, topographic variations or anything else that would/could effect the population density of ball pythons.

If that's your only source, you're doing yourself a dis-service by quoting it.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you did not read the report you are citing.

If you had you would have noticed, I hope, two things.

First, they ONLY looked at farmland, a small percentage of what was available.

Second, after finding one or two snakes, they stopped looking for others.

The study, as far as density is concerned, is worthless.

It does not take into account seasonal variations, climatic variations, topographic variations or anything else that would/could effect the population density of ball pythons.

If that's your only source, you're doing yourself a dis-service by quoting it.

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I'm wondering if you have any research that might speak to this subject of density in the wild? Also, and more importantly, I'm wondering if you've
found any research speaking to python regius behavior in a captive situation? I am continuing to search, but have thus far found nothing formally researched and published. Given this lack of formal experimentation, I rely on the (informal) experience of the many veteran keepers on this forum. I am comfortable with this choice.
However, I, too, enjoy reading and would appreciate any information you have counter to the experience of some long term keepers and breeders.

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Originally Posted by starmom

I'm wondering if you have any research that might speak to this subject of density in the wild? Also, and more importantly, I'm wondering if you've
found any research speaking to python regius behavior in a captive situation? I am continuing to search, but have thus far found nothing formally researched and published. Given this lack of formal experimentation, I rely on the (informal) experience of the many veteran keepers on this forum. I am comfortable with this choice.
However, I, too, enjoy reading and would appreciate any information you have counter to the experience of some long term keepers and breeders.

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I have nothing other than personal experience as far as keeping multiple snakes in one cage and that is several years old.

It interests me that so many espouse ONE way of doing things as the ONLY way that is proper when NO other way has been tried.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, personally I figure what you do with your snakes is up to you. I just like to know where these people who so freely give advice get that advice from.

It seems that most of them have had, at best, less than half a dozen snakes and have not had them for more than a year or two and are relying on large scale breeders or lousy pet shops to give them the information they then pass on, never having verified any of it, just saying it because someone who does it that way said to.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

It interests me that so many espouse ONE way of doing things as the ONLY way that is proper when NO other way has been tried.

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Who?
I think a good majority of users on this forum eventually "get" that there is no ONE way to do things. I certainly understand that, but from time to time, I like to give recommendations that work for me and many others.

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I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, personally I figure what you do with your snakes is up to you. I just like to know where these people who so freely give advice get that advice from.


It seems that most of them have had, at best, less than half a dozen snakes and have not had them for more than a year or two and are relying on large scale breeders or lousy pet shops to give them the information they then pass on, never having verified any of it, just saying it because someone who does it that way said to.

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I like to look at it this way...
Reading forums with experienced keepers helped me out a great deal.

Well, you might say, "don't always believe what you read"...OK, so what do we believe? What works for us? Do I have to try EVERYTHING at least once in order to get first hand experience? or can I not read about someone else's failures and try to learn from that?