Does anyone not like morphs.....

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

To me a morph is just another ball python with a real cool paint job. Is it any better then a normal? No, its going to act and live the same as any normal,. so for just a different coat of paint it's hundreds extra? It ridiculous.

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Moreover, that statement right there just shows you're not thinking about this the right way. YES, for a different coat of paint, people are willing to pay hundreds, thousands more for a ball python morph. It's supply and demand whether you like it or not.

Not trying to pick on you, just hoping to shed a little light on this for you.

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

It comes a point where people no longer do this for the love of an animal. They do it purely for the money and don't care about the animals health, safety, or well being. All they can think about is "Whats the next trick I can go for to fatten my pocket book"? It's really quite a shame honestly.

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Out of curiosity, is this your blanket perspective that covers anyone & everyone who works with morphs & morph combinations?

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Originally Posted by KLG

Out of curiosity, is this your blanket perspective that covers anyone & everyone who works with morphs & morph combinations?

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:bolt: :bow:

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Originally Posted by KLG

Out of curiosity, is this your blanket perspective that covers anyone & everyone who works with morphs & morph combinations?

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Great question Kara ... I can't wait to hear what the response will be.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

It comes a point where people no longer do this for the love of an animal. They do it purely for the money and don't care about the animals health, safety, or well being. All they can think about is "Whats the next trick I can go for to fatten my pocket book"? It's really quite a shame honestly.

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Like has been stated previously, yes, there are people like this. HOWEVER, any breeder worth mentioning does NOT fall into that category. Even if a snake from one of these breeders has a 5 digit price tag, there is probably a good reason for it. A.K.A. The snake symbolizes years of hard work and dedication that went into the morph, and the sheer need for funds to continue their work in the morph industry. Like it or not, morphs are the "flagship" model of the BP world and they serve their purpose very well. They draw attention to the breed as a whole. Sorta like the old school detriot muscle car mantra of "win on sunday, sell on monday". The muscle cars sure weren't the only cars the detriot companies produced, however they brought notability to the company's other products. People see morphs and go "WOW, that's amazing", and a majority of the time "settle" for a "normal" which they can afford, which is perfectly fine.

These threads are great!!!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

This sounds like you want a morph but can't bring yourself to pay more than the normal price for them. Look at it this way.
Yea but you can get a $99.00 paint job at the local chop shop or you can get a 5000.00 paint job at the House of Kolor. Same car different paint job. Looks different, stands out yea it same drives the same but you can't buy a car with a house of Color Kolor spray job for the same price as a local spray job now can you. It has to do with the amount of work required to achieve that paint job that makes it special. Same with morphs yea its just a ball python with a different paint job but its a paint job that took years to achieve.

If you don't like morphs because they cost to much. Thats cool 100% totally understand. But I don't see the point in complaining cause some people don't have a problem paying hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands for a morph.

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It's not that I can't bring myself to forking over the money. I just cannot afford to fork over that money. I don't have that "Disposable income" that others might have the luxury of having. I don't live in the lap of luxury and don't have all this funding that some might have. I'll admit I make less then 40k a year and have a mortgage and a vehicle loan. So thats eats a good percentage of my income.

I save lives every day working on an ambulance. I also am a volunteer fire fighter in Western New York. In March of 2006 a building for a reptile organization in my fire district called R.A.R.E (http://rarerehab.org/) went up in flames. I was one of the responding firemen that was responsible for pulling out as many reptiles as I could from a smoke and fire filled basement. I pulled out Tegus, monitors, boas, pythons, iguanas, and dragons. Some in their cages and some out after the intense heat melted the cage or shattered the glass. Even though I saved alot of animals there were alot lost. Reason was I was one of the only ones that was not afraid of the type of animals there.

So I don't want to hear I don't deserve to own or not entitled to own an exotic or morph because I don't have the disposible income as others. Remember I am a volunteer, I do not get paid for being a firefighter. I did this for free and at my own risk. They always train us to not enter the scene unless it is safe. Most would consider animals of this nature to be unsafe. I made the decision it was safe and proceeded at my own, risking my own life.

Let me ask you breeders and sellers on here and see what kind of answer I get.... If I or someone else came up to you and you have a morph going for several hundred dollars and someone really wanted it, loved everything about it, the colors, the patterns, the flames, but all that could be afforded was like $80-$100, would you make the deal or tell them Thats too bad, so sorry?

Also to breeder and pet store owners let me ask you this as well. If your place were to ever have the unfortunate tragedy of catching fire what would you want and expect your local fire department to do? Would you want them to rescue as many animals in the place they can?

To the person that asked if this is my blanket perspective. Honestly I have only been involved with BP's since late june. Thats when I got my first BP as a late birthday gift. Went to my first herp show this past sunday. So I am still too new to this to come to a conclusion. But based on the answer to my question above I could start forming my very own opinion on that.

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

So I don't want to hear I don't deserve to own or not entitled to own an exotic or morph because I don't have the disposible income as others. Remember I am a volunteer, I do not get paid for being a firefighter. I did this for free and at my own risk. They always train us to not enter the scene unless it is safe. Most would consider animals of this nature to be unsafe. I made the decision it was safe and proceeded at my own, risking my own life.

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While I have the utmost respect for emergency service workers and other public servants, it rubs me the wrong way for you to justify your deserving of a luxury item just because of your public service. We live in an economy where those that put the most on the line are compensated disproportionately less than those who put less, and while that is unfortunate, welcome to the real world.

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

Let me ask you breeders and sellers on here and see what kind of answer I get.... If I or someone else came up to you and you have a morph going for several hundred dollars and someone really wanted it, loved everything about it, the colors, the patterns, the flames, but all that could be afforded was like $80-$100, would you make the deal or tell them Thats too bad, so sorry?

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While I don't think that many breeders would give rare snakes away for a small fraction of what they are worth just because that's all you can afford by running into burning buildings for a living, I do think that there are a LOT of breeders out there that would work with you to get what you want and be fair to both sides - remember, that breeder has a livelihood too - is it fair for them to take a hit because you feel you are entitled to a special deal?

Wow, so this is an incredibly interesting thread. I always found it strange that there were people out there that honestly had something against breeding two color mutations together...


Here's my shake on things: I think people are doing to the BP that they have done to dogs and cats. Dogs started out as wolves, right? Breed a couple wolves together because you like their colors, breed a couple together because they're smaller... and somewhere down the road you end up with a German Shepard and a Chihuahua.

While we're a long way away from the Chihuahua Ball Python, we are seeing the beginnings of creating a new everyday "household" pet. We are breeding animals that---let's face it---will not survive without human intervention. Put a normal BP back into the bush and he might make 10-20 years, if he's lucky. Put a BEL out there... he's a raptor sandwich on day two (same goes for the Chihuahua, actually, lol).

Someday, it's going to be normal for someone to have a BEL sitting in a tank in their living room. But I still wouldn't expect to pay $50 for it... you wouldn't pay $50 for a purebred German Shepard, would you??? (Who knows? Maybe the normal BP will take the way of the wolf... people will still keep them, but it will be a pretty select group of people :D )

Does this make any sense... it's at the end of my work day and my brain's a little fuzzy.......

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

So I don't want to hear I don't deserve to own or not entitled to own an exotic or morph because I don't have the disposable income as others.

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I never said you didn't deserve one. But most breeders run a business and it would be pointless to cut their prices buy hundreds for everybody that thought their job denoted it.

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Let me ask you breeders and sellers on here and see what kind of answer I get.... If I or someone else came up to you and you have a morph going for several hundred dollars and someone really wanted it, loved everything about it, the colors, the patterns, the flames, but all that could be afforded was like $80-$100, would you make the deal or tell them Thats too bad, so sorry?

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I run a business just like a car dealership or wal-mart so my answer to that person would be I can't do that for that price. However I can set you up with a payment plan that will work for your budget. Some wiggle room is ok but 80-100 bucks for a morph maybe pastels next year but I don't see that for anything anytime soon

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Also to breeder and pet store owners let me ask you this as well. If your place were to ever have the unfortunate tragedy of catching fire what would you want and expect your local fire department to do? Would you want them to rescue as many animals in the place they can?

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I would hope they would do their jobs. But I fail to see how this relates to the prices breeders charge for morphs. Unless your trying to make some correlation between your volunteer and "deserving" an expensive morph.