PETA members "get it"

They more than likely hold out hope they can get the dog socialized enough to be ok. There is a cat at this same rescue that I want to work with. She is attacks everyone but I want to work with her to get her to trust people. If you are having to euthanize puppies because the shelter doesn't have space, why don't you bring it up to the person that runs the shelter. Or propose finding foster homes for the puppies. Just because there is no room in the shelter, doesn't mean you have to put down puppies.

Personally, I think we are now completely off topic, and I will not argue my points further.

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Originally Posted by Shelby

I invite you to read a few quotes from PeTA people.. quite appaling if you ask me.

http://fins.actwin.com/nanf/month.200004/msg00047.html

And their goal IS to force this stuff on everyone.. they're just not passively living their vegan lives, they want everyone to be the same.

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Wow..A page of quotes, most not even from PETA and none within the last 16 years. Hardly a relevant source of information in my mind.

Well for me it's not about PETA really. It will always be my deep unease with any group of humans that comes together through a fanatical belief in anything. Once you believe that deeply about any cause or issue you can become a victim of tunnel vision, of group hysteria and of not seeing a greater picture. Your cause becomes the ONLY cause, the ONLY right way to do anything and anyone who does not believe as you do completely, utterly and without question...is now the enemy.

I'm sure PETA has a number of wonderful people in it but it does and is documented as an organization that has supported terrorist-like attacks. It has and it is documented legally, lied publically in order to further it's stated goals at whatever cost it and its members deem right and true to that cause.

That is why I won't support PETA or any group whether it's animal rights, religion, race, or the fact that someone thinks their big toe is the best big toe in the world and any of us without said big toe are just flat out wrong about the whole big toe issue. Fanatics, especially those coming together, scare the willies out of me.

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Originally Posted by Chester & Teagan

ALSO honestly PETA doesnt force anyone to do anythign. They just wnat to educate people in what they are eating.

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Right...blowing up other people's property, breaking into private facilities, vandalizing and forcibly removing someone's elses property (i.e, releasing the animals in that facility)...yup, THAT'S education and not forcing ANYTHING on anyone else...

C&T - do you have any pets? If so, you are against PETA and perhaps you should back down a bit.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Well for me it's not about PETA really. It will always be my deep unease with any group of humans that comes together through a fanatical belief in anything. Once you believe that deeply about any cause or issue you can become a victim of tunnel vision, of group hysteria and of not seeing a greater picture. Your cause becomes the ONLY cause, the ONLY right way to do anything and anyone who does not believe as you do completely, utterly and without question...is now the enemy.

I'm sure PETA has a number of wonderful people in it but it does and is documented as an organization that has supported terrorist-like attacks. It has and it is documented legally, lied publically in order to further it's stated goals at whatever cost it and its members deem right and true to that cause.

That is why I won't support PETA or any group whether it's animal rights, religion, race, or the fact that someone thinks their big toe is the best big toe in the world and any of us without said big toe are just flat out wrong about the whole big toe issue. Fanatics, especially those coming together, scare the willies out of me.

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Super awesome post there.

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Originally Posted by cassandra

Right...blowing up other people's property, breaking into private facilities, vandalizing and forcibly removing someone's elses property (i.e, releasing the animals in that facility)...yup, THAT'S education and not forcing ANYTHING on anyone else...

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That's the Animal Liberation Front. Although there is some definate correlations between the two, they are different organizations (where ALF gets its funding is questionable).

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Originally Posted by jglass

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free."

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Hmm... begs the question, who is responsible for these myths?

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." -- John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of a Changing Ethic, PETA 1982, p.15.

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind." -- Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993

"One day we would like an end to pet shops and breeding animals [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild." -- Ingrid Newkirk, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation." -- Ingrid Newkirk, PETA, "Just Like Us? Toward a Notion of Animal Rights" (symposium) Harper's, August 1988, p. 50.

"As the surplus of cats and dogs (artifically engineered by centuries forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship - enjoyment from a distance." -- Ingrid Newkirk, "Just Like Us?......(see above)

Hmmm... hard to call it a myth when it's perpetuated by your own comments.

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

That's the Animal Liberation Front. Although there is some definate correlations between the two, they are different organizations (where ALF gets its funding is questionable).



Hmm... begs the question, who is responsible for these myths?

"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." -- John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of a Changing Ethic, PETA 1982, p.15.

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind." -- Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993

"One day we would like an end to pet shops and breeding animals [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild." -- Ingrid Newkirk, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990

"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation." -- Ingrid Newkirk, PETA, "Just Like Us? Toward a Notion of Animal Rights" (symposium) Harper's, August 1988, p. 50.

"As the surplus of cats and dogs (artifically engineered by centuries forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship - enjoyment from a distance." -- Ingrid Newkirk, "Just Like Us?......(see above)

Hmmm... hard to call it a myth when it's perpetuated by your own comments.

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Once again, I dont agree with much of what PETA preaches. They have done some good in certain areas. I also maintain that Ingrid Newkirk is a kook. The words of one don't necessarily mean that everyone in that organization/group believes the same. Also, once again, there isn't a quote there newer than 15 years.

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Once again, I dont agree with much of what PETA preaches. They have done some good in certain areas. I also maintain that Ingrid Newkirk is a kook. The words of one don't necessarily mean that everyone in that organization/group believes the same. Also, once again, there isn't a quote there newer than 15 years.

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Ingrid is a kook, but she also happens to be President of PETA. Whether or not all of the organizations members agree with her is moot. She speaks for PETA as a whole.

And yes, the quotes are dated, which is exactly my point. PETA calls it a myth that they don't support pet ownership, yet it was their President's comments that perpetuated that myth. It's akin to me saying "That Jamie guy really sucks," and then claiming it was a myth perpetuated by people that don't like me, 15 years later.

Extremists aren't terrible things, as long as they act within the law. By having extremes on both sides, it's easier to ascertain the center.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Well for me it's not about PETA really. It will always be my deep unease with any group of humans that comes together through a fanatical belief in anything. Once you believe that deeply about any cause or issue you can become a victim of tunnel vision, of group hysteria and of not seeing a greater picture. Your cause becomes the ONLY cause, the ONLY right way to do anything and anyone who does not believe as you do completely, utterly and without question...is now the enemy.

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This is a great post about extermisim in general...it should be published in every editorial page in the US.

But one thing I disagree with.....you're trying to tell me I dont have the best big toe?

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That is why I won't support PETA or any group whether it's animal rights, religion, race, or the fact that someone thinks their big toe is the best big toe in the world and any of us without said big toe are just flat out wrong about the whole big toe issue. Fanatics, especially those coming together, scare the willies out of me.

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so, am i to understand this correctly jo? you know i am the president of "flintstone toes of the world unite" or FToW. And you know i was put into this position because of the perfection of my toes.

may i please take you back to the image you enjoyed once before... of my ever so perfect feet!!!! please note the perfection of my feet... the way my big toe is the largest of my toes... no gangly unattractive second toe for me... no way, mine gently nestles into the curve of my big toe and then equally supports my third toe - which again is not larger than the second toe... and so the beautiful perfect angle of my toes continue to my wonderfully playful energetic baby toe... ahhhhhhh perfection!!!!

http://www.timelessspirit.com/images/snakes/feet.jpg