The wildest Ball Python story EVER!!!

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Originally Posted by DanRC30

She definitely opened the other cage the first time... I must've caught her just before she went in. Nobody else opened that cage.

They are supposed to be escape proof. She was in a vision, and the WL is in a 4' cage by "custom cages". Those glass doors are even bigger and heavier than the visions!

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does your snake have thumbs?

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Originally Posted by DanRC30

Ok, so many questions to answer and statements to respond to:

1) The white lip is longer than the BP, but thinner of course. I doubt either one would be willing or even could eat each other based on their sizes.


2) The WL is a male, and the BP is a female. Males will fight, and females usually won't. Not only that, since they are a different sex, there shouldn't be any fighting issues. I've had 2 female BP's in the same cage for months with NO problems.


3) I never needed locks on any sliding glass cages before. The question isn't why have sliding tracks without locks, it's why have locks if they are not necessary? Locks are a pain in the a$$ when not needed. Oddly in this case, they are needed.


4) "When people generally try to produce hybrids, they breed a male of the smaller species to a female of the larger. This way you will reduce the risk of egg binding and complications.....for example, how would a female ball python handle laying a few retic size eggs?...." WRONG! Some of the nicest carpondros came from female GTP's and male carpets!


5) "Most people, in fact hopefully all people, that willingly choose to breed any living creature let alone produce hybrid young, do so with a solid knowledge of the species involved, any risks of such breedings, the pro's and con's, etc. Hopefully they do not do your "oh well what the hey, let's just see what happens" method of breeding." Sometimes great things happen from situations like "let's see what happens". That's how DOW invented Plexi-glass....


6) Right now, there is no power struggle. The white lip has been mostly staying away from the BP, but they occasionally sleep together intertwined. If they are seperate tonight when I get home, the BP will be removed.


On another note, I had 2 boas in one cage. Anyone that says snakes are not social animals, have no idea what they are talking about. These boas really liked each other. They were always together... they both were very friendly, and ate well. They liked each other so much that when I traded the smaller one away, the larger one stopped eating. She became lethargic and eventually passed. I can't say for sure if the removal of the other one caused this, but something sure did! It was kind of coincidental that she went downhill the day I removed the other boa.


I also had a friend that had 2 very large male retics; 17' & 18'. The 17' snake actually liked people. The 18', not so much. He tolerated people. How do I know this? Well, when I went there one day, the large retic slowly came across the room from the corner it was sleeping in to see me and it gently crawled on top of me to be held. I was standing there and this snake put it's head on my shoulder and crawled around me to be held. Snakes aren't social? I don't think so... maybe some species of snakes aren't but others definitely are! I have no doubt of this. I'm assuming that 2 male BP's don't want to be put together, but that doesn't necessarily go for all snakes.

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Originally Posted by DanRC30

Ok, so many questions to answer and statements to respond to:

1) The white lip is longer than the BP, but thinner of course. I doubt either one would be willing or even could eat each other based on their sizes.


2) The WL is a male, and the BP is a female. Males will fight, and females usually won't. Not only that, since they are a different sex, there shouldn't be any fighting issues. I've had 2 female BP's in the same cage for months with NO problems.


3) I never needed locks on any sliding glass cages before. The question isn't why have sliding tracks without locks, it's why have locks if they are not necessary? Locks are a pain in the a$$ when not needed. Oddly in this case, they are needed.


4) "When people generally try to produce hybrids, they breed a male of the smaller species to a female of the larger. This way you will reduce the risk of egg binding and complications.....for example, how would a female ball python handle laying a few retic size eggs?...." WRONG! Some of the nicest carpondros came from female GTP's and male carpets!


5) "Most people, in fact hopefully all people, that willingly choose to breed any living creature let alone produce hybrid young, do so with a solid knowledge of the species involved, any risks of such breedings, the pro's and con's, etc. Hopefully they do not do your "oh well what the hey, let's just see what happens" method of breeding." Sometimes great things happen from situations like "let's see what happens". That's how DOW invented Plexi-glass....


6) Right now, there is no power struggle. The white lip has been mostly staying away from the BP, but they occasionally sleep together intertwined. If they are seperate tonight when I get home, the BP will be removed.


On another note, I had 2 boas in one cage. Anyone that says snakes are not social animals, have no idea what they are talking about. These boas really liked each other. They were always together... they both were very friendly, and ate well. They liked each other so much that when I traded the smaller one away, the larger one stopped eating. She became lethargic and eventually passed. I can't say for sure if the removal of the other one caused this, but something sure did! It was kind of coincidental that she went downhill the day I removed the other boa.


I also had a friend that had 2 very large male retics; 17' & 18'. The 17' snake actually liked people. The 18', not so much. He tolerated people. How do I know this? Well, when I went there one day, the large retic slowly came across the room from the corner it was sleeping in to see me and it gently crawled on top of me to be held. I was standing there and this snake put it's head on my shoulder and crawled around me to be held. Snakes aren't social? I don't think so... maybe some species of snakes aren't but others definitely are! I have no doubt of this. I'm assuming that 2 male BP's don't want to be put together, but that doesn't necessarily go for all snakes.

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Did you even look at that link that was posted? That BCI ate a BP that was as big as, if not a little larger. They WILL compete for space, aggressively if necessary. It isn't wise to ask for advice here and then completely reject everyones rationalisations of your situation.

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Originally Posted by DanRC30

Ok, so many questions to answer and statements to respond to:


On another note, I had 2 boas in one cage. Anyone that says snakes are not social animals, have no idea what they are talking about. These boas really liked each other. They were always together... they both were very friendly, and ate well. They liked each other so much that when I traded the smaller one away, the larger one stopped eating. She became lethargic and eventually passed. I can't say for sure if the removal of the other one caused this, but something sure did! It was kind of coincidental that she went downhill the day I removed the other boa.


I also had a friend that had 2 very large male retics; 17' & 18'. The 17' snake actually liked people. The 18', not so much. He tolerated people. How do I know this? Well, when I went there one day, the large retic slowly came across the room from the corner it was sleeping in to see me and it gently crawled on top of me to be held. I was standing there and this snake put it's head on my shoulder and crawled around me to be held. Snakes aren't social? I don't think so... maybe some species of snakes aren't but others definitely are! I have no doubt of this. I'm assuming that 2 male BP's don't want to be put together, but that doesn't necessarily go for all snakes.

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I don't want to be rude, but I think you have no idea what you are talking about. You are starting fights against people here who have tenfolds the experience you have - I am not one of them, but I have learnt enough from them to know that your rationale is completely off the wall.

One of those Boas probably gave the other one IBD. And that retic was probably sizing you up.

OMG is this DanRC30 guy for real?!?

This guy i know bought a pair of b.c.o's... actually they were from the same clutch as the pair i had.
Well the pair were over 7ft each the female closer to 8ft , any way he was cleaning them out one night and put them into together quickly while cleaning out there cages , he went off to clean out there water bowls and come back to see that the male was eating the female they were literally alone together for 10 minutes and the male had consticticted , killed and was swallowing her down way past her neck all in 10 minutes! , to say that he was gutted was a understatement , so why would you even risk this , i hope you are just winding us up on this as this is ridiculous

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Originally Posted by DanRC30

On another note, I had 2 boas in one cage. Anyone that says snakes are not social animals, have no idea what they are talking about. These boas really liked each other. They were always together... they both were very friendly, and ate well. They liked each other so much that when I traded the smaller one away, the larger one stopped eating. She became lethargic and eventually passed. I can't say for sure if the removal of the other one caused this, but something sure did! It was kind of coincidental that she went downhill the day I removed the other boa.

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Really!?!?!?

You know folks...some people are just going to believe what they believe and it doesn't matter what anyone else tries to say to them. It won't matter how many years of experience you have, or how deep your knowledge of reptiles and snakes go. Some people will take their limited experience and interpret it within their own framework and be completely unwilling to believe anything could be different.


It doesn't do any good to beat 'em up for that. And it doesn't do any good to keep beating your own head against a wall trying to get them to see things any differently. Doing so only prolongs the agony. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

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Jamie thanks for the laugh:8:

Can't agree more!!!!!