Is it legal to walk around outside with your snake?

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Originally Posted by Vanouri

Because I know my snake. Not all pets are alike and this goes for snakes too. While I get that mY Vraska may be an exception and not all other snakes are social little critters, I'm pointing out that there is a view different than the others expressed here. The only way I could "prove" to you that my snake likes what she does was if you were to meet her in person.

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That really didn't answer my question though. What behavior is she doing, that informs you that she LOVES being out and about with you? There's something in her behavior that makes you believe this to be true, since she can't really tell you that she loves it.

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Originally Posted by DVirginiana

... You could give us a list of behaviors that indicate a lack of stress in ball pythons that your snake performs when you take it outside. These do not change from individual to individual.

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She acts the same as when I have her out inside the house. She's always active and looking to explore. When meeting new people, she licks at their direction then goes straight for making a new friend by crawling over to them. When we go home and put her back in the tank, she tries to get back out for a few minutes until she gives up and goes back in her hut. She's been compared to a dog for her friendliness and others who own snakes say that she is just the most social little thing. Again, I'm not sure how to prove to all of you that she is not stressed, but she seems fine to me and in fact seems to enjoy it. I would not do anything to purposefully hurt her or put her in danger.

I'd take Vivian out, but only for short periods and places where she'd be safe , but I have no problem with her exploring my garden for a good 10-20 mins , obviously as long as I'm there (she's my precious). If I had the opportunity I would take her to school for a little show or outside for a little bit but I am honestly petrified of some hateful moron snatching her from me it killing her on the spot .

I think it's better to do it for diurnal species as there is little stress risk unlike nocturnal species such as BP's .

As long as you trust your self , your snake and the people around you it should be acceptable.

I too live in the UK and there is no law against it .

I think it would be nice to see more snakes out and about with their owners but it's up to the keeper not society , though one does have to watch out for the latter .

Stan :)


Stan:

Vivian the cornsnake
Nymeria the Het. Pied Royal
Baldrick the Piebald Royal
Larry and Lizzy the common wall lizards

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Originally Posted by jaydoncooper2

I live in the UK and want to know if its legal to walk around town with a snake haha just curious i dont do this. Is it legal in any contry?

JAYDON.

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Also I think many diurnal species that are out in the day would definitely ENJOY some new stimuli, there's only so many things to explore inside the enclosure. (considerably less so for racks).

Stan :)


Stan:

Vivian the cornsnake
Nymeria the Het. Pied Royal
Baldrick the Piebald Royal
Larry and Lizzy the common wall lizards

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Originally Posted by Vanouri

She acts the same as when I have her out inside the house. She's always active and looking to explore. When meeting new people, she licks at their direction then goes straight for making a new friend by crawling over to them. When we go home and put her back in the tank, she tries to get back out for a few minutes until she gives up and goes back in her hut. She's been compared to a dog for her friendliness and others who own snakes say that she is just the most social little thing. Again, I'm not sure how to prove to all of you that she is not stressed, but she seems fine to me and in fact seems to enjoy it. I would not do anything to purposefully hurt her or put her in danger.

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Every one of those things you just mentioned can be an indicator of stress in a ball python. They are happiest when left alone and undisturbed; they may tolerate being handled, some more than others, but this doesn't mean they like it.

You don't have to try and explain this, it is literally the same list of reasons anyone ever gives as to why their snake 'likes' something.

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Originally Posted by DVirginiana

Every one of those things you just mentioned can be an indicator of stress in a ball python. They are happiest when left alone and undisturbed; they may tolerate being handled, some more than others, but this doesn't mean they like it.

You don't have to try and explain this, it is literally the same list of reasons anyone ever gives as to why their snake 'likes' something.

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And this is your opinion based on how your snakes act. And as you said they CAN be signs of stress based on your opinion. I will continue to raise my snake how I see fit and you do the same with yours :)

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Originally Posted by Stannos

Also I think many diurnal species that are out in the day would definitely ENJOY some new stimuli, there's only so many things to explore inside the enclosure. (considerably less so for racks).

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My theory was that it may have more to do with metabolism than whether they are diurnal or nocturnal. My garters will come out and chase me around the room (to the extent they are able to in their tanks) begging for a treat or whatever. Being fish-eaters in the wild, garters have a way faster metabolism than most other snakes and therefore an increased seeking drive, since they'd have to be out hunting for food more often in the wild. They also have the distinction of being one of the few snakes that displays much social behavior beyond mating.
I think a nocturnal species with a fast metabolism would probably show those same traits and drive to explore, just at night.

That's not to say my garters don't enjoy hiding, but they are much quicker to abandon a hide and go out looking for food than my BP.

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

I would venture to say that it would depend on the store. Personally, I can't think of any good reasons to have it around your neck while shopping in the first place.

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I take my largest one around my neck constantly in the summer. The smaller ones cn only wrap around my wrist and that makes me nervous. Most people either ask to see it or just veer away from me. I try to be respectful and stay away from crowds of people. Most stores dont even realize its a live snake because she stays put 95% of the time. If a store in the area says anything about it, I just make a mental note to not bring her there again. I obviously dont go to food establishments with her. Its just like walking a dog. I take her out when I have no real plans but just going out to go.

~Regards, YzGuy

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Originally Posted by Vanouri

And this is your opinion based on how your snakes act. And as you said they CAN be signs of stress based on your opinion. I will continue to raise my snake how I see fit and you do the same with yours :)

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You are anthropomorphizing your animals.

Let me rephrase: Those are signs of stress in a ball python. What do we tell new keepers their BPs should be spending most of their time doing? Hiding. If someone has a snake that is active and out and about all the time, it's actually a sign that something is probably wrong with the husbandry.

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Originally Posted by DVirginiana

You are anthropomorphizing your animals.

Let me rephrase: Those are signs of stress in a ball python.

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Again, let me tell you that this is your opinion. You are relying on my crappy ways of description to tell what is going on with my snake. Unless you see her in person and deem she is "stressed", I see no reason to accept your reasoning over my own. She has no problems eating, being aggressive, balling up, shedding or showing aversion to people. I'd most likely notice a change in one or some of these things if my snake was "stressed". I thank you for your opinion but you need to know that there are exceptions and that your way may not always be the right way.