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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by hungba
Well people DO open their mind to other things. Just not YOUR thing. You say you aren't trying to make people agree with you, but you are just continually arguing for your methods, which judging from the response isn't really popular. You aren't really saying anything to get people to open their minds to alternatives. Quite to the contrary, you are just continually saying why you are right, but tagging a line "but if it works for you, ok". Ironically, you seem to be quite close minded yourself.
I am really not trying to come across as the ball python genius. I am not trust me. They continually surprise me. I am not close minded at all I don't think. I am fine with people going by the care sheet. I even said new people should not run cold temps. I am just throwing this info out there. It works for me and others I know. I am not in anyway saying people need to do this. This debate is me defending my position not trying to get others to change.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by bondo
Well I don't have access to termite mounds or the weather needed outside. Maybe I could put termites in my basement so they can make mounds. I can only do things that are in my power to do. There is no way to reproduce Africa in northern WI.
Correct, however a BP does not spend 100% of its life in a termite mound. They....wait for it... even climb trees. So you can sit here and respond the way that you did which is fine, but you can do more to simulate a naturalistic environment than throwing an animal in a tub. Now I have pointed out my opinion on racks on here before. That is my opinion. Tons of people have great success with using racks and that is great. I just simply don't like them/agree with them (again my opinion). The reason I brought it up on here again is because you keep referencing their "natural" habitat. I know I know you just meant temps, but again it kind of makes the point invalid.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by jclaiborne
Correct, however a BP does not spend 100% of its life in a termite mound. They....wait for it... even climb trees. So you can sit here and respond the way that you did which is fine, but you can do more to simulate a naturalistic environment than throwing an animal in a tub. Now I have pointed out my opinion on racks on here before. That is my opinion. Tons of people have great success with using racks and that is great. I just simply don't like them/agree with them (again my opinion). The reason I brought it up on here again is because you keep referencing their "natural" habitat. I know I know you just meant temps, but again it kind of makes the point invalid.
I am cool with your opinion on racks. I am cool with everyone's opinions here. I am just saying it is impossible to recreate their environment. A zoo is a big place but they can't do it either. If a snake is in a tank or cage you aren't reproducing their natural environment. You can get it closer in a cage but no one is actually reproducing the environment. There is only so much we can do.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by bondo
I am cool with your opinion on racks. I am cool with everyone's opinions here. I am just saying it is impossible to recreate their environment. A zoo is a big place but they can't do it either. If a snake is in a tank or cage you aren't reproducing their natural environment. You can get it closer in a cage but no one is actually reproducing the environment. There is only so much we can do.
I agree with that. We can only do so much, and how much each person chooses to do is up to them. I get it. If the animal is healthy that is great.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by jclaiborne
I agree with that. We can only do so much, and how much each person chooses to do is up to them. I get it. If the animal is healthy that is great.
I agree with that. Also hats off to you for going above and beyond.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by bondo
I agree with that. Also hats off to you for going above and beyond.
And to you for keeping this thread civil, I have seen some go downhill pretty fast haha.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by bondo
I agree with you. Some people seem to think I am trying to make people change their ways. I am not doing that at all.
Well that's a straight up shenanigans. You told 8_Ball in his thread that "Until husbandry changes the snake will suffer" just because he chooses to have his ambient temps at 81-84 degrees.
When you're telling someone that their animal will suffer, you're telling them they're doing something wrong.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by Mr. Misha
Well that's a straight up shenanigans. You told 8_Ball in his thread that "Until husbandry changes the snake will suffer" just because he chooses to have his ambient temps at 81-84 degrees.
When you're telling someone that their animal will suffer, you're telling them they're doing something wrong.
That is so different then this it isn't even funny. He said he had a problem with his snake being dehydrated then said he wouldn't change his husbandry. Then he changed his story again and said it wasn't dehydrated. If you have a snake dehydrated then that is a husbandry problem. If it works then so be it. However originally he made it sound like it wasn't working.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by bondo
That is so different then this it isn't even funny. He said he had a problem with his snake being dehydrated then said he wouldn't change his husbandry. Then he changed his story again and said it wasn't dehydrated. If you have a snake dehydrated then that is a husbandry problem. If it works then so be it. However originally he made it sound like it wasn't working.
No, it's not funny at all. I'm not here to argue with you. You know exactly what you said and now you're acting like it never been said. You're hypocrite.
You want to keep your snakes at whatever temps that you keep them, that's your business. But don't be coming here telling people that their snake is SUFFERING because they're keeping their snake at a normally accepted temperature range.
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Re: Husbandry vent
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Originally Posted by bondo
I am really not trying to come across as the ball python genius.
Oh you don't have to worry about that, that's for sure.
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