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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Well ya, the -06 has the same diameter, heavier bullet(generally) and a larger case with more load.

Can't see in the case that the heavier bullet is better, the .30-06 doing worse than the .308 lol. It's physics.


On a side note my collection is MUCH smaller than when I worked at a gun store.

Now alls I have is my Bushy XM15, Romy AK-47, Rem 870 12ga with some "tactical goodies", 870 wing master 20g, Springfield 1906, Glock 23 .40 cal, and a few others...


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There are tons of things that will affect how a bullet reacts when in incounters outside forces, humidity, gravity, wind, partical deflection, mass deflection. There is a huge math problem that uses more vairables than I care to mention that will show you which rounds preform how. Things like power burn rate/consistancy, barrel to bullet friction, barrel lenght / twist, barrel flex, head spacing, bullet weight, bullet design, what the bullet is made of, the list goes on and on.

The the case of the 30-06 vs the .308 is the reason a 30-06 might do worse. The fact is that the .308 case/brass is designed to be more effective at producing a fast and even powder burn and propelent gas concentration at the bullet tail thus producing higher muzzle velocity and because the bullet weights can be the same from 125grn to a 180 grn bullet the foot pounds of transfered energy are equal to or greater with a lighter projectile than those of the 30-06 and with a flatter trajectory than the 30-06 they tend to be less effected by outside forces.

Ok just the two cents of an old Long range guys sorry if it seemed like a rant.

My favorite weapon currently that I'm working to afford again is the Savage 110B in .338 Lapua mag.. :D

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Well ya, the -06 has the same diameter, heavier bullet(generally) and a larger case with more load.

Can't see in the case that the heavier bullet is better, the .30-06 doing worse than the .308 lol. It's physics.

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Actually they are both the same bullet per grain weight of course. The case is the difference. Powder loads vary but when you get into ignition and expansion of the load, this is where the .308 has less space thus running 10 grains lighter on the powder of the 30-06 BUT only 100ish feet per second slower.

All that being said if i couldnt have my .308 im am quite happy letting my 7.62X54R really reach out and touch something ;)

The frog beat me to it LoL

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

All that being said if i couldnt have my .308 im am quite happy letting my 7.62X54R really reach out and touch something ;)

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My mosin nagants are my favorite guns. Yes i have more then 1 i have 2 91/30s and a russian m44 the m44 is really fun on an overcast day looks like im shooting a flame thrower.


I reload a couple obsolete calibers i reload 6.5 carcano and 7.62x28( for my nagant pistol)

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So you mean to tell me that a .30-06 generates less ft/lbs of force on target, with the same grain/profile projectile, with the same rifle, at the same yardage?

All factors being the same other than the cartridge's case and amount of powder,, the -06 wins hands down every time.

The military changed over due to cost, size(LA vs SA), an amount of energy needed on target at range, not to mention it's a NATO round.

Not because the .308 is worse than the -06 in every aspect.


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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

So you mean to tell me that a .30-06 generates less ft/lbs of force on target, with the same grain/profile projectile, with the same rifle, at the same yardage?

All factors being the same other than the cartridge's case and amount of powder,, the -06 wins hands down every time.

The military changed over due to cost, size(LA vs SA), an amount of energy needed on target at range, not to mention it's a NATO round.

Not because the .308 is worse than the -06 in every aspect.


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Never said it was worse I said in certain instances it doesn't preform as well.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Never said it was worse I said in certain instances it doesn't preform as well.

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Oh ok. Well ya, my .17HMR does at lot better at plucking squirrels than my 1906 Springfield lol


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I have both, .308 and 30.06. They both shoot well and kill deer. I wasn't trying to say the 30.06 is a better round, I just thought it was slightly more powerful due to the larger cartridge.

After seeing the results, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot through some small limbs if they were directly in front of the deer with either round.

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

So you mean to tell me that a .30-06 generates less ft/lbs of force on target, with the same grain/profile projectile, with the same rifle, at the same yardage?

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Again if you want to get into the energy is only about 150 to 200 foot pounds difference between the two as well. There really isnt a winner between the two rounds, not enough to make a difference in the right hands at all.
Its not a urine contest, its a personal choice between two almost equal rounds.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Again if you want to get into the energy is only about 150 to 200 foot pounds difference between the two as well. There really isnt a winner between the two rounds, not enough to make a difference in the right hands at all.
Its not a urine contest, its a personal choice between two almost equal rounds.

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Ok, it seemed as tho the case was being made by everyone that the .308 was superior. When in reality the .30-06 and .308 are roughly the same, with the energy nod going to the .30-06, and the flatter trajectory nod going to the .308.

No urine here lol, just clarification.


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