Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
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fishdip
You don't think its torture to let a animal get its breath slowly squeezed out of it? As far as food and water in less the bp had no water also I am sure the tank had water also we all know what the feeder had for food.
Is that what you think happens when a snake constricts prey?
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Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
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fishdip
You don't think its torture to let a animal get its breath slowly squeezed out of it?
Please. Absolutely not.
Predators have evolved over millions of years to be as efficient killers as possible.
Constrictors are some of the most efficient. They kill just as fast, or even quicker, than a CO2 chamber.
Constricting may even be more humane than a CO2 chamber because the constriction does stimulate endorphins, which do numb the pain receptors and reduce stress.
A ball python is specifically designed to kill rodents.
There is a reason why predators are nature's killers.
Natural selection favors those who can survive the best. Predators that kill efficiently are less likely to get inured, loose their prey, and survive.
A mouse eating a snake that is still aware and alive *IS* torture. I can bet that this snake did feel the mouse chew through it's tissue, bones, and organs before it eventually died a slow agonizing death. A domesticated mouse is not designed to kill snakes. They don't know how to kill efficiently and lack the instinct to kill efficiently. Even during a fight among the same species, rodents still do not kill efficiently.
Based on seeing a number of snake injuries from feeders left too long in the enclosure, the rodents certainly do eat the snake before it is dead. This snake most definitely did not die right away, which in my opinion is torture.
Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
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patientz3ro
Is that what you think happens when a snake constricts prey?
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I know its for a fact with mine since its a good 60 sec before the feeder is dead.
Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
I find this thread shallow and pedantic
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Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
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fishdip
I know its for a fact with mine since its a good 60 sec before the feeder is dead.
Except that it's not a fact.
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~brm2286/constrct.htm
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Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
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patientz3ro
One that looks like it was done by a 3rd grader 2nd I see no facts in that IE proof photos of dead feeders showing the broken veins that sort of stuff. Also I am not basing what I am seeing off it looking like he is squeezing it. I am deciding it off the feeder still moving. I know I have the grammar of a 3rd grader but think id be able to put out a better written research paper.
Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
To sum it up: "However, constriction often kills small mammals faster than would be expected if suffocation were the immediate cause of death. In many snakes, constriction may be strong enough to collapse the blood vessels in small prey, which in turn would quickly stop the heart from working and lead to heart attack and stroke."
the movement of the mouse after it is dead is due to the nerves. it happens all the time with people after they have passed away. My mother used to work in a nursing home and would help dress the dead. It wasnt uncommon for an arm to go straight up days after the person had died. So even after a person/mouse/whatever it might be has died, it still could move
for the comments about hearing noises from the mice as the snake starts to swallow it-it could be air being pushed through the lungs. when the air gets pushed out of the lungs up into the throat, noises can be produced. i live on a farm where we shoot groundhogs to stop them from digging up the ground. We shot one that was still 2/3 of the way in the hole and i had to get it out. when i took the shovel under the stomach to pick it out of the hole a noise was produced. scared the crap out of me. the thing was dead for sure, it had a bullet hole right between the eyes. the force of the shovel pushing the air out of the lungs and up into the throat had produced the noises that sounded like grunts and squeals.
to sum that up: dead things can move because of nerves and can make noises if air is pushed out of the lungs and into the throat
Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
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Originally Posted by
fishdip
One that looks like it was done by a 3rd grader 2nd I see no facts in that IE proof photos of dead feeders showing the broken veins that sort of stuff. Also I am not basing what I am seeing off it looking like he is squeezing it. I am deciding it off the feeder still moving. I know I have the grammar of a 3rd grader but think id be able to put out a better written research paper.
Once again, movement, even noise, does NOT mean the animal is still alive.
Re: How Not To Feed Your Snake (Graphic)!
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Yamitaifu
To sum it up: "However, constriction often kills small mammals faster than would be expected if suffocation were the immediate cause of death. In many snakes, constriction may be strong enough to collapse the blood vessels in small prey, which in turn would quickly stop the heart from working and lead to heart attack and stroke."
the movement of the mouse after it is dead is due to the nerves. it happens all the time with people after they have passed away. My mother used to work in a nursing home and would help dress the dead. It wasnt uncommon for an arm to go straight up days after the person had died. So even after a person/mouse/whatever it might be has died, it still could move
for the comments about hearing noises from the mice as the snake starts to swallow it-it could be air being pushed through the lungs. when the air gets pushed out of the lungs up into the throat, noises can be produced. i live on a farm where we shoot groundhogs to stop them from digging up the ground. We shot one that was still 2/3 of the way in the hole and i had to get it out. when i took the shovel under the stomach to pick it out of the hole a noise was produced. scared the crap out of me. the thing was dead for sure, it had a bullet hole right between the eyes. the force of the shovel pushing the air out of the lungs and up into the throat had produced the noises that sounded like grunts and squeals.
to sum that up: dead things can move because of nerves and can make noises if air is pushed out of the lungs and into the throat
I under stand dead stuff moves I was a cna at a hospice for 2 years. I also have killed a bunch of animals in lots of ways. I can tell when something is still alive a dead animal dose not make sounds over and over and moves over and over.
