Desert Female Update

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Originally Posted by Cross Exotics

They are not nor will they be called Cross Line Deserts. PE is the line she came from.

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Thank you :gj:


While I do remain skeptical, I also wish you the best and would love for you to prove me wrong and prove her out as being a desert. Best of luck with your season! :)

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Originally Posted by Cross Exotics

I'll set the record straight gang.. I initially posted on the blbc forums. Yes, I called it Cross Exotics Line, and that is due to it "being a first" with the Desert female reproducing and not being done prior to this from anyone over the years. I retracted the "Oasis" name and left it at that since it was taken (didn't do my home work on that). It was a way of marking a first of an event, even though the Desert lines have been bred to so many combos before this. There is no way to tell which "line" comes from what unless you have spotless records from day one when they were brought in to the country. It was even mentioned that my girl could have been a "Jungle Desert" type new line that emerged from breeding over the years. :O I've had faith in this project, and I've also stood behind everything I've said while being transparent as possible in hopes to further share this information regarding something that is tagged impossible. After all, being excited is boring unless its shared for others to enjoy as well. After reading other opinions and reflecting back, I apologize for being over zealous and calling something my own line without the further proving of generations. Before I posted these pics I even consulted several very well known breeders. After doing so with the information of what was seen in the clutch I posted them. Hence the excitement and claim of said events. I won't disclose these breeders out of respect, and I assure you things will come full circle one way or the other as far as this Desert event goes. This thread was generated for the sole purpose of keeping my word of sharing the information, and not concealing what a lot have wished to happen for a long time. I thank you all for your opinions, thoughts, questions and respect for each other and myself regarding this matter. Feel free to ask or post and I will remain upfront with you all as I have been.

Thank You,
Joe
Cross Exotics

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Can I ask what makes you so convinced that your dam is a desert and you hatched out a clutch of desert combos? I've been made aware my tone doesn't always come across online, so let me say first that I have no desire to antagonize anyone or doubt your sincerity. I'm really just trying to sate curiosity, and I haven't noticed you respond to anyone who thinks your snake is 'just' a fantastic looking citrus pastel. Is it possible Amir made a mistake in selling your dam as a desert? Have you discussed that possibility with him? Have you compared your clutch to any Pro Exotics deserts in person?

You keep mentioning the big breeders you consulted with, but there have been plenty of extremely experienced people who have disagreed with you here and in your previous thread. I know you have faith in your project, which is commendable. But despite their best efforts, not all martyrs see divinity. And now there's a possibility that it is a new morph called jungle desert that came about from 'breeding over the years'? Despite the fact you purchased it as a PE-line desert?

I'm not picking sides or attacking your credibility, but it is irresponsible to make a claim like this without having the evidence, argument, or at least theory to back it up. If you warn people against breeding their female deserts, but you bred an animal believing it to run the same risk anyway, only to find out you were mistaken from the start...when it comes to a project like this, with the potential to crack open the coffin on the desert gene, I just think a little more information would go a long way.

I think OP and a few others just refuse to believe that Amir would wrongly identify a snake.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

I think OP and a few others just refuse to believe that Amir would wrongly identify a snake.

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Mistakes can always be made, it's how you react to them that defines your character.
All interested parties can reach me directly to discuss the matter 786-459-2741

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Originally Posted by amir

Mistakes can always be made, it's how you react to them that defines your character.
All interested parties can reach me directly to discuss the matter 786-459-2741

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Do you think you made one?

I'm not trying to call you out, i'd really just like to hear your opinion on all of it. What makes you think the dam or those babies have desert in them?

I think he meant if you want to know, phone him, lol

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Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents

I think he meant if you want to know, phone him, lol

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I'm sure EVERYONE here wants to know though, so why couldn't he just share? Cross Exotics is being transparent, he should too. I feel calling him would come across as being overly aggressive or something lol

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Originally Posted by tikigator

You cannot import a known line....an import is an unknown line. If you prove out an import then you have the right to call it your own line. At least that is how I have always understood it. You cannot just purchase a snake from someone's line, breed it once and call it your own line. Someone else produced it....or imported and proved it. For example I cannot buy a Joliff Axanthic, breed it and then decide to call it my own line of Axanthics.....

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WOW! When it's first imported from the wild in Africa,it is an unknown line!!! Who is calling either of the two imported lines another name???

Now that I think about it, didn't Sam's(I think it's Sam) line get changed to Pro Exotics when they bought his animals ???

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Originally Posted by grcforce327

Now that I think about it, didn't Sam's(I think it's Sam) line get changed to Pro Exotics when they bought his animals ???

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Stan

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