Is the BP Market ready for another breeder?

To answer the question simply is yes. There isbalways room for more breeders. And when you say the market sucks, where and what do ya base that info on.? The market far from sucks. Think about it in the grand scheme of things. We are in a hobby/industry that deals in selling snakes in excess of 50 THOUSAND friggin dollars. Snakes, not fine china or automobiles, but snakes. If you are so worried that you wont be able to sell off your normals and you will have all this surplus then ask yourself this, self, why am i breeding so many normals? Why didnt i buy morph breeders?

Oh yea and by the way. Freezing and killing cull babies was part of your original posting. You were using that as an effect of the market sucking in your eyes.

You will also be more successful as a breeder if you work on your interpersonal skills. Rather than going on a tirade and telling people to shut up, you could have just said, "Guys, I'd appreciate it if we could stay on topic. I made this thread because I'm interested in hearing opinions about the dilution of the market. Perhaps we could move the discussion of culling normals to a new thread?"

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but that all caps post was pretty rude. As was already said, this is a discussion forum and people are going to discuss what's interesting to them. If culling normals wasn't brought up in the original post, no one would be discussing it here. If you don't like the direction your thread is going in, and feel like it has been thread-jacked, there's always a polite way to say it. Anyways, I'm sure you don't need a lecture, we're all adults here, just take it easy. 99.99% of the people on this forum are very well intentioned, and no one meant to instigate any sort of fight in this thread.

Cheers,
-Matt

thank you i realize i was being childish now and i appreciate the words of wisdom i'm still a kid at heart and sometimes need a good lecture the all caps message i would delete if i could but i dunno how or can't it's embarrassing for myself but as emotional as i was at that point my post actually got me reported and the moderator said i should have gotten like 20 but since its my first i got 2 and it was removed all i did was remove my foul language and post it again still with the caps i should have changed it but it was a copy/paste and it was shear laziness at that point but thanks again for all the go-aheads and i will think about it...hard... next year i will be pairing a het albino and an albino pinstripe they are ready this year but i'm not i'm just a pup and never done it before but again sorry for throwing such a tantrum:oops:

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Originally Posted by Atherosdragon

PLEASE THIS ISN'T YOUR PLACE TO FIGHT AND VENT... it is my place to get feedback as to whether the BP trade needs another breeder i do believe that was my TITLE!

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Certain topics are just impossible to shut down once they get going, at least until a moderator decides there's a reason to freeze the thread. And honestly, when I read your original post, I was so shocked that I wondered if you were intentionally trolling...

But assuming you're not, and you just want input on breeding: if overproduction of low-cost normals and hets worries you, don't breed until you have enough saved up to work with supers. And then make sure there's always a super involved in every one of your pairings.

...I actually don't think you're wrong to consider this issue. Because while the ball python market does continue to grow overall, we are hitting certain saturation points. Given the number of dogs and cats put down every year in America, and that the total number of people wanting ball pythons is potentially quite a bit smaller than the four-legged pet market (even though ball pythons are easier to care for, natch!) I think it's worth at least entertaining the possibility that overproduction will become the norm in the next decade or two, despite the import numbers Luman quoted.

The only way I've ever found of dealing with emotional threads like this is to simply walk away and come back later. Occasionally much, much later. It doesn't feel good, sure, but this is The Internet, and it will happily eat your life for days and weeks rather than let you have the emotional head space you need to make decisions and move on with your life. So if it's freaking you out, seriously: close the browser and avoid this thread for a while. Let the moderators sort it out, it's what they're there for.

thank you loonunit that response was why i started this and me freaking out stopped the bs about culling so in my eyes people(and myself) think its childish but it worked... the squeaky wheel gets greased so i got in trouble with the moderators for it but it stopped before i had 20 pages of posts to scan through to find one like yours... really thats all i wanted to know is the market over saturated and i mentioned culling because it was an extreme measure that one person told me he does to avoid over population of normal ball pythons I had no idea it was a touchy subject I have been a member here a few weeks and I want to produce animals for myself and if i can't sell the normals (and after all the suggestions on who i can either sell or give them to i will breed i know lots of private pet stores and lots of people who have met my snakes and want one, two, three...) i will give them away even if it's on kingsnake or craigslist there is an outlet... thank you all really I am sorry for upsetting some of you and I did learn a lot

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Originally Posted by pythoncrazy

That is absolutely horrifying...no joke I almost cried at this...and i'm a man I never cry. How could they be so cruel =/ Normals are not worthless and deserve to be healthy and happy not put in a freezer! If you're gonna kill them anyways why would you not just give them away for free to people that want them?! I am absolutely outraged, what the hell is wrong with these people?!

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Giving them away for free isn't exactly going to guarantee a happy home.

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Originally Posted by Austin236

Giving them away for free isn't exactly going to guarantee a happy home.

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To be fair that depends on what other checks you have in place.

pretty sure there were plenty of legit responses already in this thread. If you mention something else, chances are WE are going to mention it too.