Meet the Screwball

Meet one of my "screwballs"..

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And here's this "bro" posing with him..

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Let me guess...

Yours has creamy ivory colored sides with almost no real yellow to speak of. A color that a camera just doesn't pick up the right way. Insane top blushing and white and ivory speckled areas on the lower sides with a tiny bit of dark pepper spots around those spots. Pixelation.

And babies that hatch pretty much translucent with either a pink or ivory yellow tint to them.. With a head so light that it rivals a super pastel.

Nice pastel jungle but no where close to the animal i posted. And to clear up once again for the 500 time. I havent said a thing about experience in a demeaning way. I have noted experience for why i didnt want to post pics of a baby till i know what im dealing with. And i have experienced the shady side of this buisness back in the days of all the what if animals being thrown all over the place back in the early 2000s when every one was trying to pass bush babies off as something else and killin people on the prices. And for those that say yea im in it for the fun and not the money, then congrats on doing what ya do but this is an industry that was created and fueled by the chase for the more expensive morph. It is what it is. Its a multi million dollar a year industry that keeps getting bigger. I too love the aspect of producing cool looking animals but i wouldnt be working with the animals i am if there wasnt a payoff. And if there wasnt a payoff you wouldnt have the morphs you have today so it is a necessary evil that has created that chance for you to work with tgose animals otherwise they wouldnt exist. And i wasnt name droppin mike i was making a point that the big named breeders are not gonna show you what all is in their bag of tricks until they have a way to market the animal. Its this reason alone that they have created such a lucritive buisness for themselves and the industry. If they just told you upfront what they were doing then everyone would jump on it and flood the market bringing prices down. Just like what happened with spiders. I remember when spiders were upwards around 20 grand and now a male spider is 35 bucks on the wholesale market and 75 on the classifieds. So dont hate the player hate the game. Its the same game you are in. But to reiterate one last time. I am not claiming my experience makes me any smarter in breeding and producing animals. It does however makes me aware of certain shady parts of this industry. So like ive said from the start i have my reasons. Like it or hate they are my reasons, my decisions and i own that.

No where close? It looks pretty much identical. Taking into consideration the differences in cameras and lighting, the only difference is yours has a couple patches where it's missing the normal "browning" of a pastel.

Having some missing melanin is not that uncommon in pastels.

Wether or not yours has a hidden gene, that's up to you to prove, but until then, it's really just a nice pastel.

Like someone else earlier said, you can't give it a new name if it's a pastel. Certain pastels have "lines" like lemon, blonde, etc.. But they are still pastels.

The one above that i posted is a blonde produced by Will Slough. Who I believe is currently not breeding but he is one of the 2 original breeders who acquired the banana/coral glow ball and proved it out. He was one of the so-called "big name breeders" you like to keep talking about, but one who was very unsocial and preferred to stay that way.

What I'm saying is, in my opinion, you may not even have a new line in your possession. You may have just gotten some new blood of an already existent line. It's really a shame that the unusual baby you speak of died so soon. I mean that. Had it survived, you would have known within a couple weeks if it was just another one the sire, or if it really was something new.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

So dont hate the player hate the game.

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lol....did you type that with a straight face???

Ok i get the point. Naming it or not naiming it. I get the point people want to make. Like it or not it is what it is. Should i have just named it after my last name and added pastel behind it like others have done in the past? Lol. I am not an arrogant person nor an ignorant person and i dont think for one second that my experience in the industry makes me any smarter then someone whos just been in it a year. All i wanted to do was share a story of an animal and what i think is going on with it. It may look like one thing but it has produced something different. I know what babies look like out the egg. I have produced thousands of babies and all i know is in this instance it doesnt look like anything i have seen. And please people im not saying ive produced thpusands of babies for any of you to bash me on that.lol im not saying im better then anyone again im just going back to my experience tells me thetes something going on. Maybe it was an under developed animal? Maybe it had something going on related to health. I dont know. Im just playing mad scientist. Similar thing happened to me last year when i hatched a clutch from an ivory to yellowbelly breeding. It was horrible suck odds but no ivories. Just yellowbellies. Now it was only a 5 egg clutch but still ahould have been at least one ivory. Now get this. None of the babies had the classic shatter pattern or anything else that looked like yellowbelly traits but nomatter what all the babies are yellowbellies because i used an ivory in the breeding. They all look normal so alot of things can happen without reasonable explanation.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Should i have just named it after my last name and added pastel behind it like others have done in the past?

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I would just call it a "Pastel" until proven otherwise. And buy a better camera. Your pictures stink. If it proves to be something special we want better pictures. :D

Its not my camera. I had the resolution turned down cause i needed too to post some animals on ks and forgot to turn back up. If it makes ya feel better ill take better pics but something tells me better pics will just give you guys something more to talk about. Im all about a good debate.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

No where close? It looks pretty much identical.

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Well I wouldn't go that far.. Your "screwball" looks much better then is IMHO... just sayin....

Hahahah cavanaugh you have had an axe to grind with me from the start so i wouldnt expect anything else.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

Any breeder that has experienced a ball python baby that didn't survive out of the egg can tell you that even a Normal baby looks like a new morph when it hasn't fully developed.

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This is exactly what I was thinking this could be.