Re: Toxic Plastic--What A Gas!
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Originally Posted by
David802
Just a couple of things to note.
1 that post is 2 days old
2 it was in response to a question I asked directly to the moderators.
So, thank you for your opinion but if someone is interested in it they will ask you specifically or ask a question to the whole board. They will not do something like type "@ the moderators" or "@ insert name here".
i was replying in general not towards what you said. she has the right to have her opinion as do you so if you dont like it get over it. i said what my opinion was and if you dont like it oh well. i didnt call you out but you want to call me out. if you cant handle others opinions get off the forums.
Re: Toxic Plastic--What A Gas!
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Originally Posted by
rabernet
In any case - why does it seem to be your mission here to extol the evil-ness of tubs? Snakes have been kept in tubs for many, many years, collectively longer than most of us have been alive with no ill effects.
1- Just because people have been doing it for years, does not mean it is safe to do. People have been drinking and smoking for a very long time.. Doesnt mean its safe to do.
2) "No ill effects"? How would you know this? Some hazardous material doesnt just show up as a huge sign that says "I have kidney cancer!". Reptiles are not capable of telling us what is wrong if anything. Yes, we can notice weezing and contribute it to RI or see black dots and say its mites.. But if there is an internal problem that is very slow acting you might just not know about it at all. My aunt had liver cancer for literally 9 years before they even thought anything was wrong. Things are not always obvious.
I am not saying this plastic toxin stuff is legit, nor am I saying the opposite. I just felt it was a bit short sighted to suggest he is just an Anti-Tub guy with no real evidence.
Personally, I wouldnt be shocked if it did in fact cause serious problems we are simply unaware of. Just cause a government says something is ok, doesnt mean it is safe...
Re: Toxic Plastic--What A Gas!
I think what rabernet was trying to say is that they have been housed in tubs for their entire lives and are either still alive and healthy today or they died of old age, not of this so called "toxic plastic". There is no proof (that I know of) that says tubs are harmful to our snakes and will cause them to be unhealthy. I am sure plenty of the older animals that have been kept in tubs their whole lives have been given the OK by a good qualified vet.
That is enough for me.
Re: Toxic Plastic--What A Gas!
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Originally Posted by
RichsBallPythons
Spell Check?
Plastic is toxic when melted and fumes inhaled. I dont believe that article one bit as i dont see plastic being approved to be sold yet it emits Toxins.
Your grasping at straws now and is getting very childish as you wont convince anyone that tubs are bad. I have snakes 4-8 years old been in tubs all their lives and never had problems or will they ever from being in tubs.
Tanks=FISH not for snakes but are most commonly used due to petstores wanting to make MORE money off your purchase.
Cigarettes kill more then just those who smoke them and they are legal. I would never be naive enough to think that just because something is sold means that it cant be bad for you.
I sense WAY to much faith in those that run this world.
Re: Toxic Plastic--What A Gas!
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Originally Posted by
BigBlue56
Personally, I wouldnt be shocked if it did in fact cause serious problems we are simply unaware of. Just cause a government says something is ok, doesnt mean it is safe...
Hmm... if it did cause serious problems, how could we be unaware of them? Breeders have been using plastic containers for years. One would think that if they were capable of causing serious problems... cancer or what have you, then it surely would have been noticed by now.
Even then, let's say that long term exposure does cause problems. Say my BP starts developing tumors after 40 years in captivity. He's still doing MUCH better than he would have been in nature. And who's to say other enclosures aren't worse? One has to weigh the pros and cons of all options and then select the choice that best fits them and their pet. A glass cage can break, is harder to control temp and humidity, and is more difficult to keep clean. Who's to say those qualities won't diminish your snake's lifespan or quality of life?
Re: Toxic Plastic--What A Gas!
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Originally Posted by
xdeus
Hmm... if it did cause serious problems, how could we be unaware of them? Breeders have been using plastic containers for years. One would think that if they were capable of causing serious problems... cancer or what have you, then it surely would have been noticed by now.
Even then, let's say that long term exposure does cause problems. Say my BP starts developing tumors after 40 years in captivity. He's still doing MUCH better than he would have been in nature. And who's to say other enclosures aren't worse? One has to weigh the pros and cons of all options and then select the choice that best fits them and their pet. A glass cage can break, is harder to control temp and humidity, and is more difficult to keep clean. Who's to say those qualities won't diminish your snake's lifespan or quality of life?
Like I said, I dont necessarily believe the plastic toxic thing, i'm just paying devils advocate.
Take salt, red meat or eggs for example. Every few years a new "research" comes out and says this or that is great for you.. or this or that is bad for you. Red meat is NOTORIOUS for this kind of thing. In the 70's, it was awful for you and you were going to die if you had X amount.. Then in the 80's and 90's it was great for you and was being pushed on the general public. Then in the late 90's, they decided it was good only in moderation (like everything else) and then started pushing the pork "other white meat" on the public etc..
My point is simply that we cant dismiss the thoughts of something because there hasnt been a pandemic of millions of dying snakes. There are many hazardous things in this world and many of them have very slow and not so obvious repercussions.
It could be something so minor as slightly accelerating the natural aging process and helps cells break down faster. It might only result in a year or two off the overall age of a snake and might not see many if any clues to even suggest it is harmful. See my point? Its not so black and white as YES YOUR SNAKE WILL DIE! or NO, my snake is the healthiest everzzz!
There is a gray area is all i'm suggesting. Bad things could come in very small and well hidden packages.
In closing, I just want to reverberate that I am NOT saying plastic is this evil killer as said in the article. I am only trying to show a different side of the ball that many might be dismissing to quickly. I hope me doing so isnt stepping on toes..