Price drops

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Depends on the look of the reptile :gj:.

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which in case would also lead back to the grading system. which was went through pretty well in this thread http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=100608

also joe has a point if this guy is a crasher. than to bhb wouldnt most small time breeders in the same aspect be market crashers?

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Originally Posted by Thebeastwithinyou

Bigtime breeders have better quality, i mean if you buy two lemon pastels from BHB and breed them out, thats a BHB super lemon quality, and can go for more. But its also the trust of the breeder in question. If i buy a pastel hatchling whom was from bhb lines but in the first week was not properly attended to, one of the most delicate times of their lives then it could be quite gimped.

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So once a reptile leaves said big breeder its offspring are worth less when they reproduce because they were produced by a lower level breeder :rolleyes:? WRONG!!! :colbert:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Depends on the look of the reptile :gj:.

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Thats a point that would warrant them selling the animal for more, just like how it warrants NERD selling animals for more based on their looks. It's about what the consumer will actually buy, a consumer is drawn to the big breeders, and rightly so since big breeders aren't the walmart of ball pythons but the quality controlled factories of ball pythons.

What it comes down to is trust, the big breeders already have trust from the consumers, making new and old consumers alike more likely to purchase from them, while the independent breeders need to either prove that they are somehow as good or better than the big name breeders, or they can undercut them and move animals. Which is what a lot of these people do.

However it's potentially cruel to the animal to sell them for less than the already highly discounted show prices, those animals may end up in the hands of less respectable individuals who will, in the future, sell low quality animals to people after they have bred them. Or worse yet the animal gets force fed, or ends up with a respiratory problem.

I'm just saying that just bellow show costs is as low as you should go if you really care about your animals. Although personal deals with people you already know may see even lower costs.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

So once a reptile leaves said big breeder its offspring are worth less when they reproduce because they were produced by a lower level breeder :rolleyes:? WRONG!!! :colbert:

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i wouldnt say lower level, but i would rather see them as small breeder

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Originally Posted by Thebeastwithinyou

Bigtime breeders have better quality, i mean if you buy two lemon pastels from BHB and breed them out, thats a BHB super lemon quality, and can go for more. But its also the trust of the breeder in question. If i buy a pastel hatchling whom was from bhb lines but in the first week was not properly attended to, one of the most delicate times of their lives then it could be quite gimped.

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No they don't! Lemon pastels are NERD line, btw. On what basis do you say that the big breeders have better quality? Even the big breeders will tell you that there are many smaller scaled breeders with superior quality.

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Originally Posted by nixer

also joe has a point if this guy is a crasher. Than to bhb wouldnt most small time breeders in the same aspect be market crashers?

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thank you :d

Which is a good reason to know who you are buying from.

As I said Big Breeders are quality controlled, while a small breeder has the burden of proof laid upon them. If they can prove they are better, then that's great.

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Originally Posted by rjk890

As far as working within space limitations goes:

How about certain breeders with breeding facilities the size of Wal-Mart putting 30,000 eggs on the ground in a single season.
How many seasons that takes to affect the market?

Do you think they are holding back their male Spiders and Pastels?

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Who is putting 30,000 ball python eggs on the ground each year? Let's be generous and say an average clutch is 8 eggs, that's 3750 females laying eggs in one season.

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Originally Posted by nixer

i wouldnt say lower level, but i would rather see them as small breeder

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Ooops i was refering on the tier level lol

I give this thread till the end of today and it will be moved to the QT room :rofl: