My dealings with MKR

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Originally Posted by bchapman

Okay...

that was an awesome post

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Thank ya :)

Posts like that come naturally when you know 100.

Sorry Adam, couldn't help myself.

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

Thank ya :)

Posts like that come naturally when you know 100.

Sorry Adam, couldn't help myself.

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You know 100 also!?! What the hell! Why don't I!?!

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

Posts like that come naturally when you know 100.

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BAM! :fishslap:

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Originally Posted by bchapman

Yeah, I kinda see how it is with them. I feel dirty for even considering defending them in the name of how business works. It is shallow and below the belt to stab customers and other breeders in the back. I see breeding as something that you should be able to collaborate with others on and be able to share the benefits - not try to take everything for yourself and ruin your customers chances of making a name for themselves before their products even reach an age at which they could do so.

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and on another note, Steve/Ghost/MRK employee who claims to be a "contractor"/dog feeder/cat feeder/cage cleaner....

Could you send Joe back over to this thread please? I have some questions that I wanted answered (I believe someone else had questions too) and he never answered my questions....

:colbert: bad customer service!!!

Or perhaps you could answer those questions for me?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

You know 100 also!?! What the hell! Why don't I!?!

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Because cheese has no bones.:ninja:

it's OK jamie i don't know 100 either. you're not out of the loop.

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

Because cheese has no bones.:ninja:

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I thought it was because garlic made a friendly brillo pad...

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

it's OK jamie i don't know 100 either. you're not out of the loop.

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I AM the loop! :)

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I AM the loop! :)

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Correction: You ARE loopy

jamie, you don't know 100 - you've DONE 100!

be proud ;)

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

and on another note, Steve/Ghost/MRK employee who claims to be a "contractor"/dog feeder/cat feeder/cage cleaner....

Could you send Joe back over to this thread please? I have some questions that I wanted answered (I believe someone else had questions too) and he never answered my questions....

:colbert: bad customer service!!!

Or perhaps you could answer those questions for me?

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Nate,from what i have been told Joe likes speaking over a P A system at Tinley park :8: :8: :8: . Maybe we can all get together and let him answer everyones questions like only he can :rolleye2: :rolleye2: :P

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Nate,from what i have been told Joe likes speaking over a P A system at Tinley park :8: :8: :8: . Maybe we can all get together and let him answer everyones questions like only he can :rolleye2: :rolleye2: :P

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That's unbelievable!!!

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

That's unbelievable!!!

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I was told it was VERY VERY funny:P .:8: :P

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Nate,from what i have been told Joe likes speaking over a P A system at Tinley park :8: :8: :8: . Maybe we can all get together and let him answer everyones questions like only he can :rolleye2: :rolleye2: :P

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What did I miss? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

What did I miss? :confused:

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the $299 down/$299 a month sale
with zero % interest on qualified customers

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

What did I miss? :confused:

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I guess they called MKR during the auction at Tinley and placed the call over the P A system.Well Joe started slamming every big breeder(majority were at the show) and now EVERYONE knows how Joe feels about them.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

the $299 down/$299 a month sale
with zero % interest on qualified customers

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They played that over the PA system?

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Originally Posted by joepythons

I guess they called MKR during the auction at Tinley and placed the call over the P A system.Well Joe started slamming every big breeder(majority were at the show) and now EVERYONE knows how Joe feels about them.

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There goes that karma he likes to spread. LOL!!! :8:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

I guess they called MKR during the auction at Tinley and placed the call over the P A system.Well Joe started slamming every big breeder(majority were at the show) and now EVERYONE knows how Joe feels about them.

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say Wha!?!

I want to hear more details on this :rofl:

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

say Wha!?!

I want to hear more details on this :rofl:

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I guess he was talking so much trash he could not hear himself echoing or everyone laughing:rofl: :rofl: .The great thing about all this is now its no longer the third party info people are hearing its from Joes own mouth :8: :8: :8: .

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

There goes that karma he likes to spread. LOL!!! :8:

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Well he spread so much they had to call in bulldozers to clean it all up :P

I'm not certain why we're all so concerned with MKR...seems likey they are burying themselves just fine...

what is a 100?

the number after 99 and before 101! :wuv:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ght=confounded :)

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I'm not certain why we're all so concerned with MKR...seems likey they are burying themselves just fine...

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man i gotta tell ya i don't even know. i'm just a little urked at the whole situation. i think i'm gonna lay off it for a little while....unless Mr. Capone decides he wants to answer the questions I asked him.

There's nothing wrong with MKR as far as I can tell, just seems a small group of folks just want to say bad things about them.
Their website is nice, and from what I understand the quality of the animals is excellent, so in my book they can't be all that bad.
The market is just way to large for any one group to do any real damage to it, I would say live and let live myself.
My two cents worth anyway.

wow that's a long thread to read!!

i'm on it though

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well after much skimming and reading posts... i still dont know, time well wasted :)

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Originally Posted by Kizerk

wow that's a long thread to read!!

i'm on it though

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well after much skimming and reading posts... i still dont know, time well wasted :)

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Exactly where I am right now too. All I know is reading this thread took time away from my life I'll never get back THANKS MKR!!

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Originally Posted by Anca

There's nothing wrong with MKR as far as I can tell, just seems a small group of folks just want to say bad things about them.
Their website is nice, and from what I understand the quality of the animals is excellent, so in my book they can't be all that bad.
The market is just way to large for any one group to do any real damage to it, I would say live and let live myself.
My two cents worth anyway.

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small group?
They have a negative reputation on these boards as well as Fauna.

Please take the time to read some of the threads on Fauna....where they say that will put breeders out of business...they make threats, they're rude, and extremely cocky.

No body "just wants to say bad things about them". Every negative thing that has been said about them is justified.

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Originally Posted by TheAudOne

Exactly where I am right now too. All I know is reading this thread took time away from my life I'll never get back THANKS MKR!!

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You get those windows cleaned yet? I will be giving Brian his update on you in the morning :P .

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Originally Posted by Anca

There's nothing wrong with MKR as far as I can tell, just seems a small group of folks just want to say bad things about them.
Their website is nice, and from what I understand the quality of the animals is excellent, so in my book they can't be all that bad.
The market is just way to large for any one group to do any real damage to it, I would say live and let live myself.
My two cents worth anyway.

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i look at it this way...

you should NEVER stand up and support something you know nothing about!

kinda like voting and not bothering to learn anything about the candidates... "hmm... he's got an L in his name and that's my favorite letter... i'll vote for him!"

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

small group?
They have a negative reputation on these boards as well as Fauna.

Please take the time to read some of the threads on Fauna....where they say that will put breeders out of business...they make threats, they're rude, and extremely cocky.

No body "just wants to say bad things about them". Every negative thing that has been said about them is justified.

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Nate, i do not think i could have put this any better then you just have.

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

i look at it this way...

you should NEVER stand up and support something you know nothing about!

kinda like voting and not bothering to learn anything about the candidates... "hmm... he's got an L in his name and that's my favorite letter... i'll vote for him!"

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Thats how Bush was elected :8: :P

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I hate Walmart!!! We have to shop there because they did drive all the small guys out of business. Walmart has been the downfall to the economics of our country, they drive prices down by strong-arming the manufacturers. They expect companies to follow all their rules for shipping which includes palletizing by store and location, if their rules aren't followed they fine the manufacturer and get the products even cheaper and alot times FREE. Most manufacturers have no choice but to fall in line or their products won't be carried. Have you ever walked into Walmart for a certain item and found they don't carry it anymore? Thats why. They run other companies into the ground in the name of cheap prices, but they still make more off that product because they screwed the supplier. When Walmart has driven everyone else out do you still think their prices will be low? Nope, they will have a Monopoly and can charge whatever they want. Everytime they open a store I see fulltime jobs, affordable healthcare and retirements fly out the window. How do the manufacturers recover from the losses they incur from Walmart? They pay less wages, hire more part-time help and less full time, cut heathcare benefits and pay less to retirement funds. So tell me who ends up getting screwed?

Now do we really want to help Walmart and MKR become Monopolies?


Sorry for the rant, just want people to realize that one way or the other we pay extra for "bargains".

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:worship: :worship: :worship: We're not worthy! We're not worthy! We're scum!

:rockon: Wild Bill, I agree 100%.

Steve I see you lurking this thread....

Can you make sure Joe gets the message that I have unanswered questions?

why not pm him with your questions nate?

Sorry guys, it's still just a small group rambling on, not providing any truth as to the care, service, and quality of their ball pythons.
BTW, Mr. Pythons, Bush was elected by an American majority, but that's politics.
Again I must state the obvious, no one entity is going to effect the market as a whole, nobody has that many animals, NOBODY!!
With that being said, why not leave it alone, they aren't hurting anyone on this forum in paticular, and the photo's of all the balls that have been posted appear healthy and strong, I just don't understand the need to trash people I don't personally know.

Anca,

You have three posts... all of them supporting MKR.

Feel free to support MKR but please remember, those of us who choose NOT to... have a right to do so.

Anca, What is your affiliation with MKR?

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Originally Posted by Anca

I just don't understand the need to trash people I don't personally know.

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she doesn't personally know them :cool:

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

she doesn't personally know them :cool:

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'they cant be all that bad' ;)

Well Steve claimed to be a customer when he is acctually employed by them.....lies surround these boys.

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Originally Posted by Anca

Sorry guys, it's still just a small group rambling on, not providing any truth as to the care, service, and quality of their ball pythons.

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Well, I'm part of the small group and I haven't made a single bad remark as to their care or quality of their ball pythons. As for their service, the comments they've made about other breeders, and in fact, breeders in general should give a clear indication of their "service".

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BTW, Mr. Pythons, Bush was elected by an American majority, but that's politics.

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Twice actually. And according to test scores we are the dumbest industrialized nation in the world. Coincidence? I think not.

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Again I must state the obvious, no one entity is going to effect the market as a whole, nobody has that many animals, NOBODY!!

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Well, according to the laws of economics you are dead wrong. A lot of people talk about supply and demand like it's the single law of economics. But it is not, and in fact, it's not even the first law (in economics we call them assumptions, but it's really semantics).

The first assumption of economics is that a particular product holds value. Now we have a "market" for Mojave's, and let's say that market was 100 people (that's pretty high, since we can argue that it's unlikely 100 people were looking to specifically purchase a Mojave).

Now, MKR releases 50 products at 50% of the market value. So, of those 100 people, we have 50 that purchased snakes and as such, we have 50% market diffusion (I realize this is oversimplified, but again we set the number very high [100] to have a very reasonable margin of error).

Since we had such a SUDDEN diffusion of the market, now the whole supply and demand market have crashed. Supply dramatically increases, because Mojaves just lost their investment value, so as a result more companies (breeders) decide to withdraw from the investment, and demand decreases substantially, not only because the 50 Mojaves hit the market, but also because the perceived investment value has decreased.

We all know what happens when supply is high, but demand decreases right? The products actual value decreases. Mojave market crashes, and now we are seeing sub-$1000 prices on a previously $1600-$2000 product.

In essence, you are completely wrong. According to the assumptions of price and supply & demand, one company can very EASILY crash a sector of the ball python market, and can quite EASILY do it again.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

I see it more like....

You just checked out at Walmart with $200 in groceries, then the next person in line was only charged $100 for the same amount of stuff. So to find out what is going on you ask a manager and they tell you " Right after your purchase we got in a big shipment of goods and now have alot to sell, so we are cutting our prices in half."

Walmart or not....I would always be hesitant purchasing from them again....Because only heaven knows, next time when you buy your groceries for $100...the guy right behind you is only going to have to pay $50 ;)

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Its like when you get the latest gaming system for $499 when it first comes out, and then the following season, its $299..... The only difference is, now it's obsolete.... It'd be totally different if the $200 price drop was the next hour instead of the next year...

The difference is a gaming system is like a car... it immediately depreciates in value as soon as you take it out of the store... The animals that we're working with actually APPRECIATE and are considered by many as investment items.... or at least the normal females do...

Wow, I get busy with work and don't troll the forums for a month and look what I miss.


My main question regards quality. Who in their right mind would purchase low quality mojaves, etc, from MKR? An earlier post stated that these were the lower quality ones (not directly from MKR so who knows?) but that just seems like bad business sense.... Why pay $800 for a low quality when you can pay $2000 for a high quality one, if you intend on breeding.

Selective Breeding is what will keep the market alive, I mean look at pastels.... Some barely look yellow, while others are amazingly bright.... I've seen lowend pastel males for $200 and bright yellow blonds with proof of their fathers brightness holding, for well over $1000.

As long as customers/breeders have the common sense to pay for quality instead of quanity, I would hope the market would suffer less from events like this.

Then again, I like fairy tales :(

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Originally Posted by Anca

There's nothing wrong with MKR as far as I can tell, just seems a small group of folks just want to say bad things about them.
Their website is nice, and from what I understand the quality of the animals is excellent, so in my book they can't be all that bad.
The market is just way to large for any one group to do any real damage to it, I would say live and let live myself.
My two cents worth anyway.

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You're kidding, right? Go to the Fauna BOI and read the two threads on the first page about MKR and then come back and tell us what you think about Mr. Joe Capone. He crucifies himself. But I also think it's interesting that you recently joined and have only posted on MKR related threads. Something smells rotten in Denmark!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

You're kidding, right? Go to the Fauna BOI and read the two threads on the first page about MKR and then come back and tell us what you think about Mr. Joe Capone. He crucifies himself. But I also think it's interesting that you recently joined and have only posted on MKR related threads. Something smells rotten in Denmark!

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Hey now! I left Denmark 2 weeks ago after my tour of Europe was over.... you can't pin this on me!!

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Originally Posted by SnakeySnakeSnake

Hey now! I left Denmark 2 weeks ago after my tour of Europe was over.... you can't pin this on me!!

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Why not? I thought you were the guy we pinned everything on!!! :D :sabduel:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Why not? I thought you were the guy we pinned everything on!!! :D :sabduel:

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I do get pinned a lot :oops: