Pat the baby biak green tree python

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Thanks. Yeah, he gets fed every 7 days now although I'll sometimes sneak him a meal 5-6 days in. He usually goes poop within 4 days if it's a bigger meal like a fuzzy mouse but if it's a pinkie, he will sometimes wait until the second one to go poop.

How is Ganja doing?

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Great to hear pat is regular lol!

Ganja is still alive an kicking but still having a prolapse issue. I am able to assist it back in only massaging the tail now so at least it is easier and a whole lot less physically stressful on her to treat. I guess this counts as handling sessions even if it involves one hand clamping on the head and the other rubbing her butt. We will have to discuss with the vet soon but for now she isn't getting worse and is at least well hydrated (her poo and urate last night was surrounded by a giant wet spot on the pad) and active.

If nothing else this has been a great life lesson in the treatment and anatomy of snakes and their problems. After this I can handle anything short of the dog eating one of the snakes :D

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Great to hear pat is regular lol!

Ganja is still alive an kicking but still having a prolapse issue. I am able to assist it back in only massaging the tail now so at least it is easier and a whole lot less physically stressful on her to treat. I guess this counts as handling sessions even if it involves one hand clamping on the head and the other rubbing her butt. We will have to discuss with the vet soon but for now she isn't getting worse and is at least well hydrated (her poo and urate last night was surrounded by a giant wet spot on the pad) and active.

If nothing else this has been a great life lesson in the treatment and anatomy of snakes and their problems. After this I can handle anything short of the dog eating one of the snakes :D

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Well good to know she's still kicking and hasent gotten worse. You might just have a special needs snake. I got one of those. Rango is my semi special needs snake. Not quite sure if he has a little neuro issue or what but the previous owner did something to him as he is kind of scared to be held and will flail a little unless you hold him kind of tight. He cruises around the cage fine and eats and poops fine. Have had him for over year and he is such a character. Always thinking it's dinner time lol.

4 days and no updates ??? ;)

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4 days and no updates ??? ;)

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Ask and ye shall receive, woman!! :D

Here is a semi terrible pic of Pat after a hard 2 hours of going ballistic on his plastic plants. He LOVES those things and climbs and down them and inside them for hours. He decided to use it as a pillow this time though. Caesar, Dottie and now Pat are what i call the "Trouble Trio". It's only the pythons but at night about 30 mins after the lights go out, those 3 are off to the tracks. Caesar is all over the glass door wanting petting, Dottie is out pushing the houses around and windhsield wiping and Pat is out climbing all over his sticks and plants and doing the scuba steve in the water bowl. Last night, i thought he was going to hurt himself. He did a Caesar kind of push but with his head pointing straight down into the Reptichips lol. Guess he was determined to find the bottom. But these 3 are always out nightly unless it is 1-4 days after feeding. They are quiet until then.
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He is SUCH a cute little bugger !!!

So much personality in such a small body :)

He is such a busy body, too! So curious :)

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He is SUCH a cute little bugger !!!

So much personality in such a small body :)

He is such a busy body, too! So curious :)

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He is!! The guy is hilarious when i go to change stuff in his cage or water during the day. He will wake up and stretch out to look at my hand like 'OMG is dinner coming!!??' Then when nothing, he retracts and curls back up and goes to sleep lol. He's like a mini Caesar except he doesnt really look at you like Caesar. I swear Caesar looks right into your eyes. Pat just kind of looks at you but not 'into' you per say.

I got a little yellow dumerils!! He is starting at an early age how to push the gauge lol. He's about 20 inches long and already starting to destroy stuff...
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That is just not right. I think pat might be broken!

Our little baby Biak comes out every time I turn his light off - he seems a good bit more shy than Pat :P

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Our little baby Biak comes out every time I turn his light off - he seems a good bit more shy than Pat :P

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Pat was kind of shy when i got him. Now he is kinda bossy lol. At night about 30 mins after lights out, he is out all over the place. Usually at the front perch looking out the door waiting for food i'm assuming as when he is full, he is usually at the back perch sleeping. But come day 4+, he seems to hang out at the front perch a lot more haha.

And he never used to really like the floor with the paper towels. Once i put in the Reptichips, its now part of his routine to hit the floor and dig or cruise around followed by the soothing tub lol. Then up on the front perch or the front plants just pacing the front of the door.

He is pretty hilarious. He is like Caesar in that he will follow you around if you come to the front of the cage at night. I'm guessing cause he thinks dinner might be coming. He just locks onto you and machine tongue flicks while tracking haha. Typical GTP 'it's night and i will eat you if you open this cage'.

Heres a pic of him sleeping on the door perch. I opened the door to get the pic and he lifted his head but wouldnt turn around haha. I feed him during the day but i guess with no mouse smell, he wasnt going to turn around.

He has grown like a weed. I still cant get over how much in the past 3 months. He was about 10 inches or so when i got him. He fit in one of those little square deli cups with tons of room to move around. Now when i catch him at night, he is easily longer than his cage. I'm guessing about 20 inches now. He looked so small in his cage. Now seeing him in the cage, he looks more proportional to it lol. I ended up taking one of his live plants out and replacing it with another plastic hanging plant as he LOVES those plastic hanging plants haha.

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He is gorgeous. In every way...


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He is gorgeous. In every way...


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Thanks. He is definitely up there as one of the favorites if i had to pick them. I'm happy he isnt the evil biak either. I havent seen him just strike yet. He always inspects the food first for about 10-15 secs. Then once he is sure its food, he grabs it and wraps it lol.

Ok Pat just pulled the ultimate on me lol. I walked over to see what he was up to as he was hanging down pretty much at the center of the front perch. When i get over there, he starts trying to caudal lure me to him by wiggling his little black tail across the top of his body haha. Little booger just ate a big ole fuzzy mouse last night and now tonight is out and trying to caudal lure me as i come over. He has some seriously big ambitions if he thinks he can eat me lol. Wish i had video of it haha. Was too funny. This guy is building up a character like Caesar. I love it.
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my tail is so pretty
it wiggle, you see?
i want you to scoot
lil closer to me.
now look at it go,
my tail is so neat!
lean in a bit more,
i hope that i eat!

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my tail is so pretty
it wiggle, you see?
i want you to scoot
lil closer to me.
now look at it go,
my tail is so neat!
lean in a bit more,
i hope that i eat!

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That is amazing! Lol


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Anyone else's GTP been going crazy recently for food and caudal luring like the world is ending? I've been catching Pat out about 10 mins after cage lights go out and he moves to the front perch and then assumes the position of hanging halfway down and ten begins caudal luring all over. He rubs his body, the perch, the air next to him. He will do this for a few hours and if since he gets no response, he will come down and actively hunt for about 20 mins, then back up on the perch and caudal luring again. I mean it is getting close to feed day but jeez this little guy went to eating so so to now he is a bottomless pit lol

While I don't have a GTP, I do have pre-teens and they are always hungry, bottomless pits before a growth spurt. They eat me out of house and home. Your Pat's just growing! ;)

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While I don't have a GTP, I do have pre-teens and they are always hungry, bottomless pits before a growth spurt. They eat me out of house and home. Your Pat's just growing! ;)

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Lol thanks. Yeah he is growing like a weed. I cant believe how much he has grown in the past 3 months. He was so skinny and tiny when i got him. Now he is kind of chubby, getting long and not really shy at all. If he sees something interesting, he is all for checking it out. Kind of like a smaller version of Caesar haha.

Well i switched Pat over to the Reptile Prime. We will see what he thinks tonight. He was out in force when i was cleaning his cage. Little guy is so curious. He came as far to the front as he could since i took out his front perch for cleaning. He sat on the plant looking outside at me lol. Wen i put his front perch back in, he climbed right on it and sat there looking out at me. Little guy has definitely gotten more bold and curious.
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Pat is looking really good. I hope it likes the reptile prime. I know when I had ganja in quarantine I had reptile prime for a little while and she dug through it like a worm.

Thanks. I think Pat is scared of the Reptile Prime lol. He is curled up on top of a plant looking down at it. Funny how snakes can detect substrate changes very fast without even being on it. Gina and Louie are the same. Any kind of new substrate and they are very wary of it. Took Gina and Louie about 5 mins of sitting on my hand as a perch inside the cage while they inspected the cypress. Then once they deemed it to not be hot lava, they cautiously climbed down to it.

And yeah, Pat is a handful now. The little booger is always Caudal luring at night and is constantly hungry. I think Hilabeans was right, maybe Pat is going through a growth spurt. Pat just had a nice juicy fuzzy mouse 2 days ago and the lump is completely gone.

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Thanks. I think Pat is scared of the Reptile Prime lol. He is curled up on top of a plant looking down at it.

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I changed out two ATB cages last night and both sat up in their perches looking at the substrate with, what I could call, annoyance. haha This morning though, one was down and sleeping all sprawled out across the substrate looking very comfortable (she's a WC and the other is CBB. I am curious if my few LTC/WCs will react any differently to the substrate more than the CBB ones that have never seen anything but paper).

Pat's looking great, I still can't get over how you are able to feed him so much so often and how well he does with it. I had heard feeding so often could lead to prolapse. Anyways, he seems to be doing fantastic and I'm enjoying this thread. Looking forward to him changing colors and you documenting it.

Thanks. Yeah, once he hits a year old, he will go to every week to two weeks. He is about 9 months old now and from what i have gathered from reading and talking to people, most people seem to feed theirs anywhere from 4-7 days.

And i know. Pat is a bottomless pit. He is like Caesar was when he was a baby. The little guy eats a fuzzy mouse and 2 days later the lump is completely gone and he is out and about at night try to catch more dinner from the front perch with caudal luring lol.

I honestly still think from what i have read that prolapse is mostly caused from lack of hydration. I did catch Pat dropping a deuce off the perch though. He doesnt seem to go to floor anymore to do the business. He just hangs his bum down off the perch and squeezes one out lol. And it amazing how much of the food they use as babies. After a decent size fuzzy mouse, the guy drops a deuce the size of a large mouse dropping.

Lol, Pat was fine when i had the door open and was messing around with his cage. He was all over the front seeing what was going on. But when i close the door was when he went up on the plant and looked at the substrate. And yeah, i guess it could be annoyance too haha. He liked the ReptiChips. After this bag of Reptile Prime, i might try cypress with him as the stuff lays flat so it should be fairly easy to spot a turd.

Trust me, feeding is not a cause of prolapse and neonates are needing more food than sub and adults. Dehydration is also not a root cause of prolapse but can be a symptom of what causes it.

Well Pat seems to be not annoyed or scared of the substrate anymore lol. He is curled up on his perch behind a plant sleeping again. Guess he's powernapping for tonight as i would bet with no lump in him, he will be out trying to catch dinner as soon as the cage lights go out.

Pat probably views you as a giant rodent dispenser! He is trying to figure out what to do to make one fall out...LOL


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I can't wait until the first time you have to try and restrain Pat. It is a right of passage and may your wounds heal fast :P

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Pat probably views you as a giant rodent dispenser! He is trying to figure out what to do to make one fall out...LOL


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Sad part is i can totally see that as he was all about coming to the front when he saw me messing around. Then once the door closed and the 'mouse dispenser' left, he went to up on top of a plant and focused on the substrate lol.

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I can't wait until the first time you have to try and restrain Pat. It is a right of passage and may your wounds heal fast :P

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I've been bit by an almost 7 foot boa and a 6 foot boa. I've also had to unhook an upper lip from a tooth that went through it on a 8-9 foot retic. There is nothing a little 20 inch snake could do to surprise me unless it stood up and started shuffling across the floor singing "Hello my baby, Hello my honey' song haha.

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Well, Pat shed last night. All in 1 piece again and took the king of poops and piss. He was saving that one up from his fuzzy mouse before he went into shed lol. It was the size of an adult rat or guinea pig poop. Anyways, i took him out on his perch and took a few pics and then tried to work with him. He wasnt really in the mood and stretched out and crawled back into his cage haha. Guess we work another day.
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Great pics,I love the stripe right across his face thru his eyes


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I can't wait until the first time you have to try and restrain Pat. It is a right of passage and may your wounds heal fast :P

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I had to help my little guy with some shed, and he swung around and got me - green tree python baby bites hurt more than one would think :P

I guess I'm lucky. Pat has never tried to bite me. He did bite the gal two times though haha. He usually will just hiss at me a little if he is feeling cranky and then tries to get back to his cage. Dottie hisses at me sometimes too if i bug her when she is out and about. It's more of just a drive by hissing as she keeps moving lol. Pat hissed today also when i was removing his shed and part of it fell on him. Guess he was alseep. He hissed a little, raised his head and turned it to look at the shed. Then turned back around and laid down again haha.

uhoh...


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LOL

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Originally Posted by zina10

uhoh...


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LOL

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Maybe. I didnt really look for any green lol. I mostly was just making sure i didnt see any stuck shed on him as it all came off in 1 piece but the head was curled up and him being so small, i could get it completely uncurled. Got it uncurled enough to see the 2 eyes caps and that was it.

Then i was so excited to finally see him again, i put him down on my hand while he was on the perch. He hissed a little at me, looked around and then climbed on my hand in order to get closer to his cage door to the plants inside his door where he grabbed onto and went to the back perch under the heater to curl up and sleep more haha. So I guess we work on his social skills another day.

Would be neat if it was a little green. Not holding my breath though as from what everyone has told me, Biaks take the longest to color change and generally will go though changes their whole lives vs other locals that go through changes rapidly and are yellow one day and green the next week lol.

Hey since you have been running UV with Pat for a while now are you noticing any benefit? I am debating installing in Ganja's cage to help stimulate some health benefits but wanted to hear from you what your experience with Pat and UV has been?

Very familiar with UV lighting and restrictions needed so I have the setup all laid out just needing some first hand experience with GTP and UV stimulation.

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Hey since you have been running UV with Pat for a while now are you noticing any benefit? I am debating installing in Ganja's cage to help stimulate some health benefits but wanted to hear from you what your experience with Pat and UV has been?

Very familiar with UV lighting and restrictions needed so I have the setup all laid out just needing some first hand experience with GTP and UV stimulation.

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Well, i honestly havent noticed any difference. I mean he does sometimes sleep close to the UVB and other days will sleep at the back behind his plant blocking the UVB. I mean he does his snaky stuff, hisses at me when he wants to be left alone but has never taken a shot at me. I mean it cant hurt and if you can set up safely, i would go for it. I'm still trying to figure out a way to mount them in the boa cages without having to butcher everything and install guards.

I was so excited to finally see him and whats he do when i put him down on my hand while he was on the perch, he hisses a little at me, climbs on my hand, stretches out and grabs his plant at the cage door, crawls in, turns around to look outside for about 5 mins, then turns around again and goes to sleep under his heater lol.

Then later that night, Gina shed too. She was more happy and came out while i messed with her. Also Vicky shed too and she just looked at me, though i might be offering food and when no food, she went behind her hide on the cool side. Such ingrates i say!!! :P

In the boa cage you might just want to think on using a screw in bulb type with a light cage like they use in Europe. Should provide UV light and be sturdy enough to handle boa destruction.

Like this (they even make angled cages so you can mount it on a horizontal wall if desired)

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Yeah i've seen those and i know they have been used for years. Back when i was a teenager when dirt was new, the breeder i got my Nile Monitor from who also bred burms and retics used those in his cages. I just dont want something that obtrusive in the cage as i have 18 inch cages. I thought about using something like 22 inch T5 UVB tubes and then just using cable clamps along with screen to create my own screen caging. If i mounted them on the side between the side and top, i could just use a single piece of screen and cable clamp it on. Plus i can just drill a hole right on side so the wire is not seen or messed with.

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Well, Pat shed last night. All in 1 piece again and took the king of poops and piss. He was saving that one up from his fuzzy mouse before he went into shed lol. It was the size of an adult rat or guinea pig poop. Anyways, i took him out on his perch and took a few pics and then tried to work with him. He wasnt really in the mood and stretched out and crawled back into his cage haha. Guess we work another day.
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That's a really nice animal, and a great choice to throw more diversity into a pretty wide ranging collection.

I keep lurking here.

I'm sorry I missed the pictures.

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That's a really nice animal, and a great choice to throw more diversity into a pretty wide ranging collection.

I keep lurking here.

I'm sorry I missed the pictures.

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Thanks man. Yeah he is definitely different than my other stuff for sure. He a pretty good boy also. Hasnt taken any shots at me yet but he does get a little vocal when he doesnt want to be messed with haha. And maybe its just pythons but when he wants to go some direction, he goes, its like Caesar. Pat didnt want to play the bonding game so he hissed at me, climbed on my hand and reached out for his closest plant in the cage and crawled it. Then he turned around and stared outside for a bit and then went to sleep under his heater. Funny part is he had to climb on my hand to get to his plant to get to the inside of his cage so he did have to play the bonding game for about a minute haha.

I'd love to see you get an Emerald Tree Boa next :)


It will be very interesting when you start posting pictures of the color change.

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I'd love to see you get an Emerald Tree Boa next :)


It will be very interesting when you start posting pictures of the color change.

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Lol. You know i thought about it but for some reason, their head just turns me off. Maybe its the size of it. GTPs have that smaller more slender head. But who knows. Once i get Pat his PVC cage, the 18x18x18 cube will be vacant and already set up for arboreal....it could be in the cards ;)

And yeah, no idea when Pat will change. Like i said, most people i talked to said Biaks change VERY slowly. So i expect Pat to be the little yellow ball for awhile.

Here's Pat sawing some zzz under his heater. Little guy is oblivious to what goes on around him unless you move his plant or touch him.....or he smells a mouse.....
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I'd love to see you get an Emerald Tree Boa next :)


It will be very interesting when you start posting pictures of the color change.

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I hate you Gio lol!! You got my gears turning and i started looking at more ETBs in the FB groups I'm a member of and i see not all of them have that really long wide face. So of them had pretty 'sexy' faces lol. Now I'm thinking of getting one of those instead of a Peruvian or red neo GTP lol. I mean i guess in a way you are helping me too since a Peruvian will set me back around $1000 and a red neo GTP is about the same price but it seems ETBs run around $500 or so.

But dang it!! You got me kind of wanting another arboreal snake lol.

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I hate you Gio lol!! You got my gears turning and i started looking at more ETBs in the FB groups I'm a member of and i see not all of them have that really long wide face. So of them had pretty 'sexy' faces lol. Now I'm thinking of getting one of those instead of a Peruvian or red neo GTP lol. I mean i guess in a way you are helping me too since a Peruvian will set me back around $1000 and a red neo GTP is about the same price but it seems ETBs run around $500 or so.

But dang it!! You got me kind of wanting another arboreal snake lol.

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Ha!

I'm hoping you pull the pin LOL!

Here's the thing, the fact that the species are completely unrelated but have almost exactly the same mannerisms is extremely interesting to me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/c..._evolution.htm


I'd love to hear about what you actually find out in keeping both species.

You have your BCC, Gina will never be equaled, unless the Peruvian is absolutely top of the line.

The ETB's are usually larger than GTP's and they are so beautiful.

I hate to fuel to your "addiction" but I can't do it, so you should LOL!

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Ha!

I'm hoping you pull the pin LOL!

Here's the thing, the fact that the species are completely unrelated but have almost exactly the same mannerisms is extremely interesting to me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/c..._evolution.htm


I'd love to hear about what you actually find out in keeping both species.

You have your BCC, Gina will never be equaled, unless the Peruvian is absolutely top of the line.

The ETB's are usually larger than GTP's and they are so beautiful.

I hate to fuel to your "addiction" but I can't do it, so you should LOL!

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Lol. Yeah, i want an Amazon Basin ETB but they seem to be a lot harder find and considerably more expensive. I guess they are much more mellow and tolerant of handling. They also have the white line down the back with white triangles going down the side with a yellow belly. The Northern ETBs have the white lightning stripes but no white stripe down the spine. They also are much less tolerant and more prone to bite if pissed off. They have a white belly and they grow larger than the Amazon Basin ones.

And yeah, Gina is pretty nice. I'm pretty happy with her :) And thanks.

If i get one, it wont be for at least 6 months. I need to take care of some higher priced billed atm and then decide whether i want to actually get Pat his 2x2x2 or 3x2x2 PVC cage. Kind of stuck waiting for Ali and Mark at AP to figure out the pricing on the smaller arboreal cages. Once i figure that out and get some stuff taken care of, I'll look into either an ETB, GTP or a Peruvian.

Me and the hubby have made the call possibly getting either an Ammie or GTP in July at the next Repticon. Saw some beautiful Halloween phases and Biaks but I’m still torn. I really love the Red Ammies.


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. The Northern ETBs have the white lightning stripes but no white stripe down the spine. They also are much less tolerant and more prone to bite if pissed off. They have a white belly and they grow larger than the Amazon Basin ones.

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Bf and his dad got super lucky with their pair, they are the most tolerant ETBs I've ever met. I still can't get over how non-bitey and calm they are with handling.

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Me and the hubby have made the call possibly getting either an Ammie or GTP in July at the next Repticon. Saw some beautiful Halloween phases and Biaks but I’m still torn. I really love the Red Ammies.

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I'll always push for ATBs but that's just because they are one of my favorites. Wanted to make sure you were aware the orange on a 'halloween' phase fades with age (they are a version of normal garden phase).
Red ammies are what got me into ATBs.

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Bf and his dad got super lucky with their pair, they are the most tolerant ETBs I've ever met. I still can't get over how non-bitey and calm they are with handling.



I'll always push for ATBs but that's just because they are one of my favorites. Wanted to make sure you were aware the orange on a 'halloween' phase fades with age (they are a version of normal garden phase).
Red ammies are what got me into ATBs.

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Yea I saw that when I was doing my research last week but it just seems so much harder to find the red Ammies unless anyone knows where to find em....okay I’ll stay off this thread and start another one. Lol I don’t wanna hijack.


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