Caesar progression thread.

Yes, we really do. Please?

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I ordered another herpstat 1, it was only 2 days and it was at my door. When I bought my rack I ordered my last herpstat from Herptastic and it took 3 weeks.

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Yeah if you order them from Spyder Robotics, they come pretty fast.

Shoot Jason a message and see if he can get you a deal - he hooked me up on a Herpstat 2 not too long ago.

Jason Taylor <bsflfeeders@gmail.com>

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Originally Posted by BR8080

Shoot Jason a message and see if he can get you a deal - he hooked me up on a Herpstat 2 not too long ago.

Jason Taylor <bsflfeeders@gmail.com>

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I just order all mine straight from Dion at Spyder Robotics. Have been doing it for years :)

Ok well Caesar decided to stretch out tonight so was able to get a good comparison pic. I think he is actually getting close to the 6' mark. The thermometer is the end of the cage and where his body is bent is the other end of the cage. And his face is up against the door of the cage. So if you added a couple inches the thermometer and straighten out his bends, he is prolly easily pushing 6' now :O I really never even noticed it even when I have him out. He has grown so much since I've had him. He's not my little 2' worm anymore :tears: Oh and don't mind the glass on the top of the cage lol. I was using it to pour water on the Eco Earth to moisten it back up for everyone.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...7ad0f900_h.jpg

I was having the same thoughts last time you posted a stretched out pic of him. I bet he's a solid 6'. Seems to take up close to the same amount of cage as Phyllis did a couple months ago.


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I was having the same thoughts last time you posted a stretched out pic of him. I bet he's a solid 6'. Seems to take up close to the same amount of cage as Phyllis did a couple months ago.


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Yeah I'm not the best with measurements lol and I also tend to undersize stuff than oversize it. I do with feeding them as well as how long they are haha. But after looking at Caesar stretched out watching me moisten everyone Eco Earth, I was like that is the perfect picture to show his size plus I was in shock how big he actually is. Good thing he is a giant baby or I'd be worried. Now if he just calmed down like when he was the little 2' worm, I'd be set. Taking him out wears me out after about 15 mins hahaha. He just doesn't stop going.

Well I guess I'll end up getting 2 T25s sooner than I thought lol. One for Rosey and now one for Caesar. My Herpstat 6 is supposed to be here tomorrow so with my Herpstat 2 Redline and Herpstat 1 Redline, I will be done with T-stats at least lol.

Haha my herpstat gets here by Thursday, maybe tomorrow at the earliest. Yeah, Phyllis is a little more of an involved handling session when she's out now that she's getting bigger too. She doesn't quite wear me out, she will get into stuff and knock things over though and try to get inside of and behind whatever she can get close to haha. Climbs all over my shoulders then over the back and down my leg like how to were saying Caesar does to get to the floor. I wish I had a snake proof room I could let her explore with a ton of stuff to climb on.


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Haha yeah. I had Caesar out tonight as I was moistening his EE and I let him hang out on the bed. I was praying to god he didn't pee on the bed and he didn't. He did spend a nice chunk of time with his nose buried on the spot where my boas usually like to sit on the bed. I think he smelled them haha. Then after I was done I let him hang out on me and for once he was kind of mellow. He more or less curled up on my arms and hung his head down and looked at the floor.

You didn't opt for Priority mail!!?? Patience is not my virtue so I opted for the quickest ship method for my Herpstat 6 lol. And I guess since you got one coming, you don't need mine. I'll sell them local and apply the cash towards my T25s lol.

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Well I guess I'll end up getting 2 T25s sooner than I thought lol. One for Rosey and now one for Caesar.

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For now anyway LOL He's grown quite a bit, looks great man! Better get 4 so your stacks are even (4 of each T8, T10, T25) LOL

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For now anyway LOL He's grown quite a bit, looks great man! Better get 4 so your stacks are even (4 of each T8, T10, T25) LOL

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Sad part is I will need 4 T25s. One for Caesar, Rosey, Vicky and Gina. Rango can probably get away with a T10 as he is a male and Luna, I'm not sure when/if she will need one. And Dottie should be fine in a T8 or T10. I'll probably end with 4 T25s next to the 3 T10s and the T8s I will just keep as back up cages or possibly get some dwarf boas like a Pearl Island, Hog Island and Cay Caulker lol.

And thanks. Caesar has grown a ton. He'll be 11 months old in 13 days.

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Cay Caulker

And thanks. Caesar has grown a ton. He'll be 11 months old in 13 days.

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I had a GREAT experience with Second City Constrictors - TJ Blevins - with my Caulks Cay - she's a beauty, eats well, and mild mannered. Not to mention from the Russo/Rentfro line as well.

Name sounds familiar. If I did get one though, it wouldn't be for a very long time haha. I need to save up for 4 T25s lol.

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Name sounds familiar. If I did get one though, it wouldn't be for a very long time haha. I need to save up for 4 T25s lol.

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JUST 4? LMAO

Also noticed my typo - Caulkers Cay but you knew that anyway. From conversations with TJ he also breeds other boas and I'll be hanging with him in June while in Chicago. He did mention Russo Surinames as a possibility.

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JUST 4? LMAO

Also noticed my typo - Caulkers Cay but you knew that anyway. From conversations with TJ he also breeds other boas and I'll be hanging with him in June while in Chicago. He did mention Russo Surinames as a possibility.

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Well I'm hoping just 4 as they cost me like $765 loaded with shipping. So 4 of them would close to $3k. It would be for Rosey, Vicky, Caesar and Gina. Rango being a male should be ok in a T10 and Dottie will be fine in a T10 and I'm hoping Luna will be fine in a T10 too.

I was planning on a Russo Pucallpa Peruvian but saw the Rio Bravo Poki Suri female and couldn't pass her up especially at her price. Someone I talked to was asking about pure Poki Suris and I as well as a bunch of other people referred them to Chris Wolf as he is one of the few that breed 100% pure Rio Bravo Poki Suris and I guess the price went up to $1k each now for his next litter due this summer. or at least that's what the guy said. Kind of explains though why the batch he just sold with my girl sold out in an hour lol.

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Well I'm hoping just 4 as they cost me like $765 loaded with shipping. So 4 of them would close to $3k. It would be for Rosey, Vicky, Caesar and Gina. Rango being a male should be ok in a T10 and Dottie will be fine in a T10 and I'm hoping Luna will be fine in a T10 too.

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With today's USARK development you'll need to work some obvertime. LOL

Alright, I got my shipment of Plant IT stuff and got it in the big boas and retic cage. The stuff honestly looks pretty close to ReptiChips. Only differences I can see is that its lighter in color than ReptiChips and it seems to be less uniform in shape and size but overall, the stuff seems pretty much the same and half the price.
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How is it on odor reduction? Reptichip seems to have upped their price a tad...

please keep us posted on how you like the substrate

Looks great.

I use a combo of that or close to it with Ecoearth mixed in or Ecoearth and cypress sometimes I use all 3 with some moss.

I don't change out substrate too often. I spot clean and most of the snake waste is fairly benign if you miss a spot or two it dries and degrades into the substrate.

It is actually good to have a certain amount of bacteria in the cage. It is healthy for the snake and the ecosystem within the cage.

A pure, and completely sterilized environment doesn't let your animal develop or build up any natural immunities.

NOTE there is a fine line between some healthy, natural cage bacteria and a dripping wet, mold ridden cage.

I typically do total substrate changes twice a year. Most of my animals either don't eat in the winter at all or slow down a great deal.

Hopefully nobody is spending too much $$ changing this stuff out too frequently.

The cages look really nice man.

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How is it on odor reduction? Reptichip seems to have upped their price a tad...

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Well, I haven't used it long enough to really know but since it is the same stuff as ReptiChips, i'm going to say its decent as ReptiChips worked pretty good except for when Caesar would drop death turds. Nothing on earth could mask those odors. Even Caesar would be pushing with all his might to get out of the cage after one of those lol.

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Looks great.

I use a combo of that or close to it with Ecoearth mixed in or Ecoearth and cypress sometimes I use all 3 with some moss.

I don't change out substrate too often. I spot clean and most of the snake waste is fairly benign if you miss a spot or two it dries and degrades into the substrate.

It is actually good to have a certain amount of bacteria in the cage. It is healthy for the snake and the ecosystem within the cage.

A pure, and completely sterilized environment doesn't let your animal develop or build up any natural immunities.

NOTE there is a fine line between some healthy, natural cage bacteria and a dripping wet, mold ridden cage.

I typically do total substrate changes twice a year. Most of my animals either don't eat in the winter at all or slow down a great deal.

Hopefully nobody is spending too much $$ changing this stuff out too frequently.

The cages look really nice man.

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Thanks. Well the nice stuff with this is it's only like $12 total per block. Cheaper if you buy it more in bulk. I only ordered 4 blocks to test it and so far, so good. 1 block is enough to do the 3 T10s so $12 a month for substrate is decent in my book. I mean heck their food cost per month is around $110 a month. I need to get a chest freezer lol.

The baby boas, BP and dumeril's are kept on Zoo Med aspen for now as the stuff is fluffy, soft and the baby boas LOVE it. Gina and Rango dig little tunnels in it and poke their heads out here and there lol. The aspen I change out probably every 1.5 months though as they don't destroy their substrate as bad as the bigger boas and especially Caesar do.

I've always changed out substrates fairly frequently though. I don't like the idea of my snakes or lizards crawling around in pee or poop juice soaked stuff. Just me. I tend to treat my pets like kings and queens lol.

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Well, I haven't used it long enough to really know but since it is the same stuff as ReptiChips, i'm going to say its decent as ReptiChips worked pretty good except for when Caesar would drop death turds. Nothing on earth could mask those odors. Even Caesar would be pushing with all his might to get out of the cage after one of those lol.

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lol that's how I can tell Phyllis has a mess for me to clean up too. Drops a deuce and then destroys the cage haha


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Well Caesar broke something else lol. I found his temp/humidity gauge at the bottom of his water bowl lol. I had it in the far corner on his shelf last night. I guess he pushed it across the shelf and then right into his water bowl. First he gets himself stuck in his silk vine and now he breaks his temp/humidity gauge.....he is a brat when he wants dinner lol.

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I've always changed out substrates fairly frequently though. I don't like the idea of my snakes or lizards crawling around in pee or poop juice soaked stuff.

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I don't have my animals crawl around in waste either. I simply spot clean the area, scoop it out, clean the bottom cage floor and replace the scooped substrate with new stuff. In a sense I'm changing a lot more substrate than it seems because each new addition replaces the old stuff. Its still healthy to have a certain amount of bacteria, not waste in the cage. What I'm getting at is people don't need to go nuts. I don't think your system is overly frequent, it is a bit more than I change it out, but it doesn't go overboard. The newsprint business is another story. That crap is almost a daily changeout with retics.


Obviously there are times when "spot cleaning" turns into one quarter of the cage though. My animals are fairly efficient with digestion and elimination so I'm not plagued by messy cages too often. Wallace makes it easy he dumps out and pees in his water bowel, which requires immediate attention. He seems to do this shortly after I change his water. I find it irritating, but its better than using me for a toilet like he has in the past.

I just ordered my 6 footer and I know it will take a bag or two of substrate to fill it. Wallace is going to have a palace when I'm done with it. I'm totally stoked that it is 2 feet tall, I won't own a cage from here on out that isn't 2 feet tall or taller for the types of snakes I keep. Unless I get a blood python LOL!

I was quoted an unbelievable deal IMO.

I furnished my coastal's cage with the repti-chips a few days ago. That stuff smells pretty good I must say, its borderline strong smelling.

Who did you order from? AP?

And if Caesar went in his water bowl, it would be a lot easier. He pisses all over in his cage. So kind of hard to spot clean as half the time I cant even see it unless he leaves urates with it. And obviously the poop is easy to spot lol. The boas usually go about 1.5 months inbetween changings unless they soil it a lot. The retic though is a just a piss machine. I mean remember, you feed yours every 2 weeks and he's a decent size smaller that Caesar and eats smaller meals. Caesar is over 6' and eats pretty much a large rat a week. His poops are as big as Rosey who is 7' but the catch is, Rosey poops like once or twice a month, Caesar poops at least 3 times a month if not more.

Yeah this Plant IT stuff is pretty much the same as Reptichips but half the price. The only real difference like I mentioned is this stuff isn't as uniform in size as Reptichips and seems lighter in color although that might just be me.

And now for the Caesar seal of approval :D
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First he gets himself stuck in his silk vine and now he breaks his temp/humidity gauge.....he is a brat when he wants dinner lol.

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How did you affix your vine so it wouldn't get pushed around as much or did you just lay it on the shelf? I'm headed to Michael's and Joanne Fabric to look at their non-chain style vines.

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How did you affix your vine so it wouldn't get pushed around as much or did you just lay it on the shelf? I'm headed to Michael's and Joanne Fabric to look at their non-chain style vines.

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I used plastic zip ties to secure them to the side and middle vents on the AP cages. just buy some green ones and they will blend in. Just put the locking part of the zip tie on the outside of the cage so you can loosen and remove it when you need to clean the cage. and be sure to buy the non chain style silk vines lol.

Good deal on the chips. I like various types of substrate so switching it up is cool. My cage is from Ed. No need to change a great setup here. Double cage. 72" x 30" x 24". I was quoted a deal with shipping below the cost of an AP cage stand alone without shipping. I personally like HDPE plastic much more than PVC for many reasons. However if AP had reasonable pricing for the size I wanted I would have entertained the idea of something different for no other reason than to have something different.

I can enjoy seeing your APs. It's always nice to see how other folks set up and I like your methods.

My new cage will be jaw dropping when I'm done. Wallace will have a plethora of options. And a much bigger water bowel since that's where he uses the restroom LOL.

6 foot with the demensions I have is going to look huge. My wife will flip out. Not a good flip either lol.

Let us know what you find at Michaels. I may check it out.

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Good deal on the chips. I like various types of substrate so switching it up is cool. My cage is from Ed. No need to change a great setup here. Double cage. 72" x 30" x 24". I was quoted a deal with shipping below the cost of an AP cage stand alone without shipping. I personally like HDPE plastic much more than PVC for many reasons. However if AP had reasonable pricing for the size I wanted I would have entertained the idea of something different for no other reason than to have something different.

I can enjoy seeing your APs. It's always nice to see how other folks set up and I like your methods.

My new cage will be jaw dropping when I'm done. Wallace will have a plethora of options. And a much bigger water bowel since that's where he uses the restroom LOL.

6 foot with the demensions I have is going to look huge. My wife will flip out. Not a good flip either lol.

Let us know what you find at Michaels. I may check it out.

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Nice. Was hoping you were getting the Monster Cage as I wanted to here a review from someone who has one. I already know what Ed's cages are like lol. Honestly the HDPE just didn't do it for me. Nothing I wanted to stick to it ever did and the stuff I didn't want to stick to it did like Rosey's urate. The bottom of the cage has stains I couldn't remove unless I sanded them. And foil tape wouldn't stick to the stuff so you couldn't use heat tape. And for me the breaking point was how much the cages shift and move even when assembled. He labeled it 'living plastic' but I label it thinner material and not as rigid of construction as AP. That's why I like the AP cages, they are sturdy. You pick one up and there is no flex or shift. I mean to get my 4x2 Pro-Line's door to line up, I had to shim 3 pieces of cardboard under the rear right corner of the cage. And that was when it was new. But anyways, if they work for you, then awesome. I'm sure Wallace will love the 6' and you do set up nice natural set ups.

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Nice. Was hoping you were getting the Monster Cage as I wanted to here a review from someone who has one. I already know what Ed's cages are like lol. Honestly the HDPE just didn't do it for me. Nothing I wanted to stick to it ever did and the stuff I didn't want to stick to it did like Rosey's urate. The bottom of the cage has stains I couldn't remove unless I sanded them. And foil tape wouldn't stick to the stuff so you couldn't use heat tape. And for me the breaking point was how much the cages shift and move even when assembled. He labeled it 'living plastic' but I label it thinner material and not as rigid of construction as AP. That's why I like the AP cages, they are sturdy. You pick one up and there is no flex or shift. I mean to get my 4x2 Pro-Line's door to line up, I had to shim 3 pieces of cardboard under the rear right corner of the cage. And that was when it was new. But anyways, if they work for you, then awesome. I'm sure Wallace will love the 6' and you do set up nice natural set ups.

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Monster cages are HDPE plastic. Much better than PVC for certain reasons IMO, but if you don't like HDPE, you won't like Monster. The new plastic Matt uses is the same that Ed uses.

I've never had the issues you speak of so I don't know what to tell you there. Maybe my perches stabilize the units, but I also have them on 3/4" plywood that is larger than the base of the cages with hard insulation under that and a solid table under that. Who knows why, but they work great for me, and dudes like Nick Mutton.

I'd put what I have up against anybody's caging and probably pick mine. In the end it's a big plastic box so I don't care too much, use what makes you happy. I could care less what anybody does, its not my business. My collection has been doing excellent so no need to change a thing now. Same with Boaphile caging, some love them others don't. I think they look great, just too small for me. Like I said, I enjoy seeing what others do and won't knock or criticize other units. It's a hobby not a contest.

AP and their prices were simply unreasonable for me. Size combined with value and I'd have to be stupid not to get what I have coming. But then again, I like to watch my snakes climb. Semi arboreal maneuvers at night are extremely fun to watch so I want a minimum of 24" tall. I'll never buy another cage that isn't at least that tall. I'm paying a bit over half the price of the AP unit I wanted including delivery, without going into specifics. Obviously Ed is treating me well, very well.

Matt at Monster seems to have too much going on, he's a very nice guy and I think the cages look nice. I DON'T think you personally would be happier though. He ships completely assembled and I'll bet you would be better off with your AP deal once delivery is added.

I texted him and got a response a day later, then arranged a visit and never heard back. That was a week ago. I didn't have time to wait with lead times so I went with the tried and true.

The boy went blue last night so he's growing a bit.

It should warm up and time out well to get fresh shed outdoor pictures. Stay tuned.

I also want to see Caesar outside. I'll bet he glows like a neon light.

I hear ya. I mean if I liked Pro-Line cages, I would just drive down and pick them up from Ed as I live probably 2 hours from him. Just the design of the cage isn't for me. I'm not a fan of the dovetail joint for a cage. I prefer a flush/flat fit but like you said, each to their own.

I did have my Pro-Line on a 1/2" sheet of sanded plywood and it still was warped. The roof sagged after 3 years too and you couldn't miss that as you had about 1/2" gap between the door and top header on the corners and in the center, it was header to door, lucky if you could fit a sheet of paper between it. Figment's Pro-Line was worse. His, he actually had to lift the center to close the door and neither of us put anything on top of them.

I bet the perches mounted in probably did stabilize it. Acting as kind of a center brace I guess.

But anyways, if it works for you, you got a good deal and are happy with it, grats man :D I want to see it all decked out.

And yeah, I'll for sure get pics of everyone outside in the summer. Going to build a 4-5' jungle gym out of 1" pvc so I can drag it outside on the deck for the snakes to play on lol.

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I hear ya. I mean if I liked Pro-Line cages, I would just drive down and pick them up from Ed as I live probably 2 hours from him. Just the design of the cage isn't for me. I'm not a fan of the dovetail joint for a cage. I prefer a flush/flat fit but like you said, each to their own.

I did have my Pro-Line on a 1/2" sheet of sanded plywood and it still was warped. The roof sagged after 3 years too and you couldn't miss that as you had about 1/2" gap between the door and top header on the corners and in the center, it was header to door, lucky if you could fit a sheet of paper between it. Figment's Pro-Line was worse. His, he actually had to lift the center to close the door and neither of us put anything on top of them.

I bet the perches mounted in probably did stabilize it. Acting as kind of a center brace I guess.

But anyways, if it works for you, you got a good deal and are happy with it, grats man :D I want to see it all decked out.

And yeah, I'll for sure get pics of everyone outside in the summer. Going to build a 4-5' jungle gym out of 1" pvc so I can drag it outside on the deck for the snakes to play on lol.

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Should be cool when the outdoor shots get going.

You live about as far from Ed as I do from Matt.

It will be a bit before I get it all set up. I'm getting a huge rolling stand built for my 3 current cages, then I can easily roll them in and out for various cleaning procedures, The big cage will stand on a 6 foot table for now. Then I'll get casters so I can roll it.

You should grab some rollers from AP. Might be worth it.

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Should be cool when the outdoor shots get going.

You live about as far from Ed as I do from Matt.

It will be a bit before I get it all set up. I'm getting a huge rolling stand built for my 3 current cages, then I can easily roll them in and out for various cleaning procedures, The big cage will stand on a 6 foot table for now. Then I'll get casters so I can roll it.

You should grab some rollers from AP. Might be worth it.

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Thought about it but I have all my cages on carpet so probably wouldn't roll that great. Also I use flexwatt so unless I had them make a version of their stand but solid, it wouldn't work. I actually use a sheet of 1/2" sanded plywood between their stand and the bottom cage so it creates a sandwich for the flexwatt so it is evenly pressed to the floor of the bottom cage. But I have thought about just buying 4 casters and then just cutting up 4 4x4 for legs, 2x4 for braces and then putting down a 1/2 sheet of plywood for the table top and then just spray paint it all flat black. But again, I don't really move my cages. When it comes to cleaning time, I throw everyone in their tubs, take the doors off, take out all the hides and water bowls, and then just dust pan out as much substrate out of all the cages. Then I just vacuum out the rest, pull all the shelves out and spray all the cages down with F10SC from top to bottom. Wipe them out, wipe the shelf down, put it back in and put substrate back in. Like I said, I keep my cages pretty simple so I can clean all 6 cages in about 1.5-2 hours including hides and water bowls. Got it down pretty good as I have to do it every month to 1.5 months lol.

And also remember, all my cages are the same so I just stack them. I mean I could stack the T8s on top of the T10s but then the stack would be as high as my ceiling. I'd need a ladder to reach them lol. I'm just going to stack the 4 T25s next to the T10s and then that next to the T8s since I'll have like 3 of the T8s vacant once I get the T25s.

Lol and on a side note, the acurite temp/humidity gauge that Caesar pushed across his shelf and into his water bowl is working again now that it dried out haha. I put it on the floor of his cage since Caesar is too destructive to have nice stuff haha.

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Then I'll get casters so I can roll it.

You should grab some rollers from AP. Might be worth it.

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I'm in the process of building a stand for my T10's and got my casters through Caster Connection (https://casterconnection.com/) - they've been great to deal with.

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I used plastic zip ties to secure them to the side and middle vents on the AP cages. just buy some green ones and they will blend in. Just put the locking part of the zip tie on the outside of the cage so you can loosen and remove it when you need to clean the cage. and be sure to buy the non chain style silk vines lol.

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Thanks, I remember the non-chair style from an earlier post. LOL

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I'm in the process of building a stand for my T10's and got my casters through Caster Connection (https://casterconnection.com/) - they've been great to deal with.

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Thanks. Very helpful. I'm going to look into those.

Ok, question for you guys. I know a few of you guys had AP route the channels for your lighting and you put in your own. What lights did you use? Waterproof? The lights in my T10s have a couple spots that are out but come back on if I push on them. Not sure whats up, if its maybe the humidity but I'll be grilling Ali in the morning as I need to order a T25 from her anyways so it will be the perfect time to give her grief about subpar lighting that spots go wonky after only about 6 months lol.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Waterproof-5M-...%257Ciid%253A1

The sets I have are something like this. Every color you could need, dirt cheap, work fine. Have only had one issue in the last year of using them and that was when one of the power adapters kicked the bucket but I had a spare power adapter from an air mattress pump that I use now. Aside from that, I like them. Not as crisp of a white light option as yours but I'd prefer to have the color changing option so I can look in the cages at night without bugging the critters too much over just a good daytime light


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Ok, question for you guys. I know a few of you guys had AP route the channels for your lighting and you put in your own. What lights did you use? Waterproof? The lights in my T10s have a couple spots that are out but come back on if I push on them. Not sure whats up, if its maybe the humidity but I'll be grilling Ali in the morning as I need to order a T25 from her anyways so it will be the perfect time to give her grief about subpar lighting that spots go wonky after only about 6 months lol.

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They can also route a 10mm channel now as well. I bought lights on amazon and they fit right in the channel nicely. I cannot speak to their effectiveness as they were just installed this week, sorry.

Hmm well dang. Yeah, see i'd rather have a brighter white than color change. If I need to see inside the cages at night, I just turn on the flashlight. The snakes don't seem to care actually lol.

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http://m.ebay.com/itm/Waterproof-5M-...%257Ciid%253A1

The sets I have are something like this. Every color you could need, dirt cheap, work fine. Have only had one issue in the last year of using them and that was when one of the power adapters kicked the bucket but I had a spare power adapter from an air mattress pump that I use now. Aside from that, I like them. Not as crisp of a white light option as yours but I'd prefer to have the color changing option so I can look in the cages at night without bugging the critters too much over just a good daytime light


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They have a white light though right? I didn't see it in the pics, just the psychedelic lighting lol. I sure don't want a disco lightshow in the snake cages. And they fit in the standard routing channel? And I'm assuming since its like 16ft, you can cut them to fit 4 cages? I mean they got enough connectors?

Also any chance you can take a pic of it installed from the outside top of the cage JM? Does it sit flush in the channel on the outside so I can still stack cages even with that remote inline?

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

They have a white light though right? I didn't see it in the pics, just the psychedelic lighting lol. I sure don't want a disco lightshow in the snake cages. And they fit in the standard routing channel? And I'm assuming since its like 16ft, you can cut them to fit 4 cages? I mean they got enough connectors?

Also any chance you can take a pic of it installed from the outside top of the cage JM? Does it sit flush in the channel on the outside so I can still stack cages even with that remote inline?

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There are pics in my gallery from last summer of them installed. And yeah, if you prefer solid white lights just order a white set lol. And they're not a crazy disco light show unless you set them to the strobe setting. I really only use red and white.
You'd have to get some adapters and stuff to make a full 4 sets out of the 16' strip though. I got two out of one strip because there's connection pins for both ends of it. Just snip them to the length you need with scissors, they're marked where to cut.


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Lots of options.

I have 18" versions of these. I screw them into the top of the cages. On the fixture itself you can use a brighter or dimmer setting. I just use the dim and put the lights on timers. I plug my moonlights in on my own. If I want in cage pictures I reach in and click the brighter setting, but usually leave them at low all of the time.

https://www.menards.com/main/kitchen...11821872479870

Nothing waterproof on this light but I spray my cages a bit during shed cycles and haven't any issues in the last 4 years.

No outages or diode failures to this point.

Lighting is redesigned often so I may not find the same lights for the new cage.

I like the idea JM has with a strip that has whites, blues and greens at the push of a button. "One light fits all" system!

If you find something great please share!

Well I talked to Ali and she is sending me out 3 sets of replacement lighting for free. Awesome customer service. And I finally broke down and ordered one of three of the T25s I need. So now the wait until around mid July lol.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

Well I talked to Ali and she is sending me out 3 sets of replacement lighting for free. Awesome customer service. And I finally broke down and ordered one of three of the T25s I need. So now the wait until around mid July lol.

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Damn dude! I'm getting itchy for the T8 & T10 to get here.

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Originally Posted by Stearns84

Damn dude! I'm getting itchy for the T8 & T10 to get here.

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Lol I ordered 1 T25 today and going to actually add a 2nd one tomorrow since it will only cost me $31 more in shipping. The third one for Vicky will have to wait until later but she doesn't really need one right now anyways.

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Lol I ordered 1 T25 today and going to actually add a 2nd one tomorrow since it will only cost me $31 more in shipping. The third one for Vicky will have to wait until later but she doesn't really need one right now anyways.

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If you don't mind me asking, what's options did you get? What was the total with shipping?

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If you don't mind me asking, what's options did you get? What was the total with shipping?

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I always order them the same. Sliding glass doors, locks, shelf, flexwatt, LEDs installed. The shipping for one was $228 and the shipping for 2 was $259. So you save a ton by ordering more. Shipping for three would be even cheaper but I don't want to end up living in the third one haha. I ordered one for Rosey and one for Caesar. Vicky is only about 5' so she still works in a T10 but I'll get her a T25 as well probably end of summer or fall.

If you live on the east side of the mountains, it's cheaper I guess to ship. Ali was telling me the price for shipping jumps up when you go west of the mountains.

Where are you putting all of these enclosures?

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