Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...)

She looks great as usual. The cage looks great too.

I'm close to ordering my 6 foot Monster Cage.

awesome!

i just signed up on a list for a 100% pure Kalatoa SD Retic. :)

Well, Phyllis cooperated and crawled in a straight line next to a tape measure for me yesterday (no pic of that unfortunately). She is barely shy of 7' now at 13.5 months old. And made of pure muscle and beauty.
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These are from a day or two previous when it was almost 80* out. The first pic is with her tail at about my lower chest/upper stomach height and I'm only 5'4". That sidewalk is about 28-30" wide too, for a bit of a scale reference. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ff13be5473.jpg
Excuse the messy bathroom, had her out and I sensed a piss coming and that's the only room in the apt without carpet lol. Two seconds later unleashed a flood and a few huge urates that hit the floor sounding like rocks.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9c2ac86ba1.jpg here's an idea as to how thick she is. Close to 2" diameter at her widest girth.
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Crazy to look back and remember this same animal being about 2' a year ago. She's grown a solid 5' since she's been with me and is still the most amazing animal I've ever kept. Looking forward to 20-30 more years of this critter!


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She looks beautiful, and you look pretty cool. Much younger than I am LOL!

Keep this going as you were doing this before Sauzo and me when it comes to this retic business.

ALL of the latest retic folks here are a little bit of a family.

Sizes, experiences, and SD X Dwarf and mainland percentages are important topics to be shared.

I've always thought Phyillis was pretty in pattern and coloration!

Look at that baby face on JM!!! I think he's younger than Phyllis!! ;)

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Look at that baby face on JM!!! I think he's younger than Phyllis!! ;)

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Well I guess that's better than looking old for my age hahahah


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Haven't updated on Phyllis in some time. Her highness shed today and looked quite happy to change into her new dress and proceed to take a swim.
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Why, hello there!
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Taking a dip. Does this every single shed immediately after she finishes
I think she's a sturdy 7' now. She's getting more weight than length now for the most part so she may slow down on length but we'll see, I suppose...

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Lol none of my snakes like to go into their water. I get them the big dishes and all they do is sit on top of it or rest their head on the rim of it.

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Lol none of my snakes like to go into their water. I get them the big dishes and all they do is sit on top of it or rest their head on the rim of it.

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Looking great and I love the real, natural pattern. Good update.

Sauzo, LOL,,, I have the opposite. Wallace uses his water bowl as a toilet. In a way it is very helpful and in a way it isn't. Actual cage cleaning is minimal, which is superb. But I'm changing water a few times a day which isn't.

When the big cage gets here I'm going to upsize his water dish again to the largest naturalistic item I can find and call it good. At some point he's not going to fit at all.

JM,

I looked at some of the earlier pictures again and she look great outside! How does she handle if you just set her on the floor or the ground?

I always have to have Wallace wrapped on some prop item, or on me. If he is on the ground, he's taking off LOL!

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Looking great and I love the real, natural pattern. Good update.

I looked at some of the earlier pictures again and she look great outside! How does she handle if you just set her on the floor or the ground?

I always have to have Wallace wrapped on some prop item, or on me. If he is on the ground, he's taking off LOL!

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Thanks buddy! I've never let her really be totally free on the floor for more than a half a minute without keeping a hand on her but she's pretty chill about it. Just wants to explore everything and knock anything she can over hahaha! She's never made a run for it that I can recall. Gerald however... I feel like he'd be gone in the blink of an eye if I set him on the floor for any length of time more than 1/4 of a second lol. Even when Phyllis was small, I could let her stretch along the back of the couch and she would just curiously check everything out, never tried to take off. This is her a month or so ago, hands free for a minute outside the back door when it was an 80* day in march.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...17e2dd1296.jpg
Doesn't wander far but then again I don't really allow her the chance to. If I turned my back for a second I'm sure she'd be gone or get herself into trouble lol. For size reference that sidewalk is about 28"-30"



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Long, but excellent girth.

Just how they are supposed to be. I wonder if she's going to top out in another 2 feet.

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Long, but excellent girth.

Just how they are supposed to be. I wonder if she's going to top out in another 2 feet.

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I'm wondering the same thing... she'd be a seriously impressive snake at 9'. Probably would be the size of my forearm and a good 20+lbs


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I'm wondering the same thing... she'd be a seriously impressive snake at 9'. Probably would be the size of my forearm and a good 20+lbs


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WOW, a 20 pounder!

Is the Kalatoa locale the smallest of the SD group I can't remember? How old she now?

I'm wondering if she will be larger than Wallace in the end.

I enjoy her updates.

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WOW, a 20 pounder!

Is the Kalatoa locale the smallest of the SD group I can't remember? How old she now?

I'm wondering if she will be larger than Wallace in the end.

I enjoy her updates.

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From what I've been able to research, either kalatoa or madu is supposedly the smallest of the locales, though according to Cody even a pure kalatoa female has the potential to reach a solid 9'.
I've got a breeder friend that has two pure SD females, about 8', and said they weighed 20lbs when he got them in. They're from his previously owned wild caught breeding stock and said that he's got them thinned out a bit now. Previous owner fed the snot out of them he said haha. I'd guess their proper weight should be in the neighborhood of 12-15lbs
She's probably going to end up a sizeable snake, though Caesar might give her a run for that title lol. I think your conservative feeding schedule with Wallace is going to keep him a very lean and well rounded specimen. I've got a feeling Phyllis will be the biggest of our group even being pure SD, but she is the only female of all of them. Gene may have a growth spurt after graduating to large rats though...


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From what I've been able to research, either kalatoa or madu is supposedly the smallest of the locales, though according to Cody even a pure kalatoa female has the potential to reach a solid 9'.
I've got a breeder friend that has two pure SD females, about 8', and said they weighed 20lbs when he got them in. They're from his previously owned wild caught breeding stock and said that he's got them thinned out a bit now. Previous owner fed the snot out of them he said haha. I'd guess their proper weight should be in the neighborhood of 12-15lbs
She's probably going to end up a sizeable snake, though Caesar might give her a run for that title lol. I think your conservative feeding schedule with Wallace is going to keep him a very lean and well rounded specimen. I've got a feeling Phyllis will be the biggest of our group even being pure SD, but she is the only female of all of them. Gene may have a growth spurt after graduating to large rats though...


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I agree, and Caesar seems to have a fair amount of mainland in him. If that does kick in and he still eats frequently you certainly could get bigger. Kris seemed to think he'd level out though. I actually thing Caesar's end size was quoted to be even smaller than Wallace's. The tiger gene in Wallace is know to make huge animals so it may play a role. I'm really happy so far though.

I looked into Cody's vids again as I do from time to time and I did see his pure female SD's had potential to get up there in size, but nothing unmanageable IMO.

Is Phyllis over 2 years old now?

She looks really good. Perfect IMO.

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I agree, and Caesar seems to have a fair amount of mainland in him. If that does kick in and he still eats frequently you certainly could get bigger. Kris seemed to think he'd level out though. I actually thing Caesar's end size was quoted to be even smaller than Wallace's. The tiger gene in Wallace is know to make huge animals so it may play a role. I'm really happy so far though.

I looked into Cody's vids again as I do from time to time and I did see his pure female SD's had potential to get up there in size, but nothing unmanageable IMO.

Is Phyllis over 2 years old now?

She looks really good. Perfect IMO.

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No Phyllis is 15 months old this weekend/early next week. I've never seen an animal grow as fast as that snake. She was 59grams when she got here at 3 weeks old and is now tipping he scale at 2200grams+. Just under 2' when she arrived and now right about 7'. 5' of growth in a little over a year! Wow!
She's definitely the most interesting to handle of the three snakes here. Very curious but not squirrelly like Gerald. She has a conviction and decision about her movement that commands some respect when she's out. Just don't move too fast around the sharp end and she's a joy to work with hahah! I'm expecting another foot or so of length and then some body building from her as she progresses. She's gonna need every bit of that t25 by the time it's ready


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OK right,

I think we all pulled the trigger on these right after you got her. I believe your first couple of posts got me re-thinking the decision to get one. I dabbled, then was dead set on another coastal carpet or a Suri BCC.

I'm terrible at keeping to one species however so I was itching for something different again.

I read everything I can about the species.
http://reticulatedpython.info/index.html

It amazes me that some people really think ALL retics are huge and that the SD/dwarf locale stuff in marketing to sell more although those views may be changing.

I'm sure there are some scammers out there that will sell anything for a $$.

Interesting research/science shows the island populations could be considered a separate species.

http://reticulatedpython.info/me/pap...ic%20paper.pdf

Just like boa constrictors, and carpet pythons, there are locality retics that exhibit unique traits.

Fun species for me.

I'm planning for 10' for Caesar just in case although like i said, he seems to have mellowed out on his food drive and is pretty happy with a large rat every 7-10 days. I mean he still pops out of the hide like a jack in the box when i open the door or sometimes even if i tap on the bottom track. He doesn't seem to push too much anymore.

BTW if you are looking for 50% SD morphs, Shannon Roepke just had a bunch of stuff and put them up for sale. Lots of Platinum, Motley, Tiger stuff. I almost bought the Platinum Motley female 50% SD she had for sale but instead bought Caesar.

Once i get the 3 T25s and get everything set up, I'll have 2 T10s laying around which i possibly might fill with the Peruvian BCC and maybe a SD ultra Ivory or sharp snow bci. I do love Caesar but honestly I'm a boa guy as you can tell by the 4 boas i got already lol.

And i think Caesar has the most mainland out of all of our retics except Gene. But Caesar is also tiger so that combined with mainland is what is probably playing into his size. Good thing he is mellow and not cage defensive at all.

Plus Kris told me when i got him that Caesar LOVES to eat anything anytime so he said i would have no problems getting him to eat plus he said he was very handleable.

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I'm planning for 10' for Caesar just in case although like i said, he seems to have mellowed out on his food drive and is pretty happy with a large rat every 7-10 days. I mean he still pops out of the hide like a jack in the box when i open the door or sometimes even if i tap on the bottom track. He doesn't seem to push too much anymore.

BTW if you are looking for 50% SD morphs, Shannon Roepke just had a bunch of stuff and put them up for sale. Lots of Platinum, Motley, Tiger stuff. I almost bought the Platinum Motley female 50% SD she had for sale but instead bought Caesar.

Once i get the 3 T25s and get everything set up, I'll have 2 T10s laying around which i possibly might fill with the Peruvian BCC and maybe a SD ultra Ivory or sharp snow bci. I do love Caesar but honestly I'm a boa guy as you can tell by the 4 boas i got already lol.

And i think Caesar has the most mainland out of all of our retics except Gene. But Caesar is also tiger so that combined with mainland is what is probably playing into his size. Good thing he is mellow and not cage defensive at all.

Plus Kris told me when i got him that Caesar LOVES to eat anything anytime so he said i would have no problems getting him to eat plus he said he was very handleable.

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I wish I could add on here but I think Wallace was the last which is OK. I have a very busy life and another snake may become more of a chore, although I'd take a "Gina" here any day of the week.

Glad to hear Caesar is settling, maybe Wallace will fire up a bit and then slowly level out. He is so mellow in the cage and rarely reacts to anything I'm doing. He even needs some convincing with food. I prefer the Caesar attitude in a way as that is what retics are all about.

On the other hand, I don't want a snake over the 10 foot mark unless it is a carpet or boa. Retics are another level and with size, that can cause problems.

Caesar must have a birthday coming very soon.

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I wish I could add on here but I think Wallace was the last which is OK. I have a very busy life and another snake may become more of a chore, although I'd take a "Gina" here any day of the week.

Glad to hear Caesar is settling, maybe Wallace will fire up a bit and then slowly level out. He is so mellow in the cage and rarely reacts to anything I'm doing. He even needs some convincing with food. I prefer the Caesar attitude in a way as that is what retics are all about.

On the other hand, I don't want a snake over the 10 foot mark unless it is a carpet or boa. Retics are another level and with size, that can cause problems.

Caesar must have a birthday coming very soon.

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Yeah, Caesar turns 1 year old the 18th. He is bigger than Rosey it seems. I haven't measured after his last shed but he just 'feels' a lot longer. No where near the girth of Rosey though.

And yeah retics are another level but the past 7 months I've had Caesar, the only time i have seen him mad was when i tried to introduce him to the snake hook lol. Since then, if he doesn't want to socialize, he bats my hand away with his body and if that doesn't work, he just tries to move to the hide that he wasn't under when i went to bother him.

That's half the reason i love retics. That amount of interaction whenever something happens. I love my boas but to be honest, they lift their head and perk up when the doors are slid open thinking food might be coming but Caesar is on another level as he will actively come out of his hide or from the back of the cage and check out what's going on. I usually leave the door open when I'm changing water and he will poke his head out and inspect the outside and watch me come back with his water bowl. I love how aware and interactive he is. Now there is a drawback and that is his feeding response. I have had to use a sliding door as a shield more than once when he smells dinner. That's the time when i have to be on the ball with him and the boas as they go from the gentle, relaxed lounge snakes to tubes of muscle and teeth lol.

That's why i go with the minimalist set ups. Makes it much faster and easier to just look inside for a poop or piss and then slide a door open, boop a snoot and then scoop and go.

And thanks, i love Gina. I personally don't really like picking 'favorites' as i 'love' all of my snakes but she is definitely up there. Along with what i think is an awesome pattern and her little eyelashes, she has an awesome personality. She has never tired to bite but she did get pissy at me once and hissed but that was it. No coiling or anything, just sat in her little spiral coil in her divet in the aspen and hissed once when i went to scoop her up. Then she was fine and started exploring haha.

She was acting like she's still a puppy, climbing all over my hat yesterday hahahah. A big puppy now...
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I can really see the thickness coming on. I really like the pattern coloring and change down by the tail.

I think this will be the summer when she starts to hit a little maturity.

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I can really see the thickness coming on. I really like the pattern coloring and change down by the tail.

I think this will be the summer when she starts to hit a little maturity.

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I think so as well, Gio. Her length is seemingly slowing down a bit but she's packing on the girth for sure. She feels a little thicker and a little heavier every time she's out. Close to the size of my wrist now!


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I think so as well, Gio. Her length is seemingly slowing down a bit but she's packing on the girth for sure. She feels a little thicker and a little heavier every time she's out. Close to the size of my wrist now!


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That's good! I like a little thickness with the squirmy, fast ones. I don't want a black mamba LOL!

Phyllis's pushing the last two days has been intense. Totally trashed her cage twice, spilled water everywhere, wrecked the joint. I noticed earlier when I was cleaning it all up that she's actually got a very slightly swollen upper right lip and it's causing her to whistle a little bit. No other sign of RI and she's always been a bit of a vocal breather.
I did choose to minimize her cage furniture so she doesn't have as much stuff to brace her body against for pushing leverage. I felt bad taking her branch away because she generally sleeps behind it, but she's using it to beat up her face and had a couple rough scales that seemed to be scratched by something in the cage so I guessed it was the branch.
She's still got some stuff to play with though. I took bcr suggestion from another thread to give her some crumpled packing paper to push around. It seems to be working so far tonight! Not too restless in the cage but still active and poking around at the paper rather than the center support of the cage, which is good.
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Granted I did have her out for half an hour before to let her climb all over the stairs and work off some energy, so that might account for her being calmer in the cage. I think the added floor space is also nice for her. Need her t25 to be done asap!


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Well the pushing continued through the night and her fat lip got a bit more swollen. [emoji20]
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I'm concluding that she just needs food food food no less than every 7-9 days. Gave her a large rat just now. Going to keep an eye on her and monitor the swelling over the next week. I'm fairly confident it will go down but it's still frustrating to deal with nonetheless
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Phyllis's pushing the last two days has been intense. Totally trashed her cage twice, spilled water everywhere, wrecked the joint. I noticed earlier when I was cleaning it all up that she's actually got a very slightly swollen upper right lip and it's causing her to whistle a little bit. No other sign of RI and she's always been a bit of a vocal breather.
I did choose to minimize her cage furniture so she doesn't have as much stuff to brace her body against for pushing leverage. I felt bad taking her branch away because she generally sleeps behind it, but she's using it to beat up her face and had a couple rough scales that seemed to be scratched by something in the cage so I guessed it was the branch.
She's still got some stuff to play with though. I took bcr suggestion from another thread to give her some crumpled packing paper to push around. It seems to be working so far tonight! Not too restless in the cage but still active and poking around at the paper rather than the center support of the cage, which is good.
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Granted I did have her out for half an hour before to let her climb all over the stairs and work off some energy, so that might account for her being calmer in the cage. I think the added floor space is also nice for her. Need her t25 to be done asap!


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Did you officially order the T25?

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Did you officially order the T25?

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Yeah I ordered it march 29th.


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Yeah I ordered it march 29th.


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Damn I'm jealous! I can't swing that right now, hell I can t even find a truck to replace the car insurance totaled out.

Does AP ever ship early or is it always in the "quoted" time?

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Damn I'm jealous! I can't swing that right now, hell I can t even find a truck to replace the car insurance totaled out.

Does AP ever ship early or is it always in the "quoted" time?

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I would plan on it being longer than the quoted time. My quick ship T8s took like 7 weeks last year around this time


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Lol you ordered your T25 2 weeks before me. Ordered my 3 on April 12th.

Sucks that Phyllis is pushing so much. Caesar never pushed THAT bad but then again, i kept him pretty fed when he was a baby which was when he did the most pushing. Now that he's almost 1 year old, he really doesnt push much anymore but will become antsy around the 7-10 day mark which is the time i feed him his large rat.

AP usually ships a a few days after the date they give. My T10s shipped out in 13 weeks. My T8s shipped out in a month and i was quoted July 12th for my T25s. I'm chomping at the bit for them as I'll be able to rearrange all my caging and play musical cages with the snakes. Plus i think Rosey, Vicky and Caesar will love the new cages.

And best of all, I'll have 2 cages free again!!! Must....fill.....cages lol. I'm actually thinking of getting a BCL now. I love the black and white look to them. I love Caesar but i do boas lol. Had little Gina out this morning and she was exploring all over me and trying to sit on my shoulder except she's too small for that haha. Had Caesar out too and he was having his fun crawling all over me. And got big Rosey out as I'm typing. She's just lounging.

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Lol you ordered your T25 2 weeks before me. Ordered my 3 on April 12th.

Sucks that Phyllis is pushing so much. Caesar never pushed THAT bad but then again, i kept him pretty fed when he was a baby which was when he did the most pushing. Now that he's almost 1 year old, he really doesnt push much anymore but will become antsy around the 7-10 day mark which is the time i feed him his large rat.

AP usually ships a a few days after the date they give. My T10s shipped out in 13 weeks. My T8s shipped out in a month and i was quoted July 12th for my T25s. I'm chomping at the bit for them as I'll be able to rearrange all my caging and play musical cages with the snakes. Plus i think Rosey, Vicky and Caesar will love the new cages.

And best of all, I'll have 2 cages free again!!! Must....fill.....cages lol. I'm actually thinking of getting a BCL now. I love the black and white look to them. I love Caesar but i do boas lol. Had little Gina out this morning and she was exploring all over me and trying to sit on my shoulder except she's too small for that haha. Had Caesar out too and he was having his fun crawling all over me. And got big Rosey out as I'm typing. She's just lounging.

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Pics or BS.

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Pic of what?

My buddy who's bred snakes for 20-30 years told me Phyllis should be fine, that they all push pretty hard at some point or another. Still don't like seeing her with a fat lip but hopefully the swelling goes down over the next week or so.


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Pic of what?

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I was being a smartass in hopes that you'd post pictures.

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My buddy who's bred snakes for 20-30 years told me Phyllis should be fine, that they all push pretty hard at some point or another. Still don't like seeing her with a fat lip but hopefully the swelling goes down over the next week or so.


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I'd be freaking out if Caesar got a fat lip haha. I was worried when he got the scrapes on his chin

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I'd be freaking out if Caesar got a fat lip haha. I was worried when he got the scrapes on his chin

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It definitely is causing me some concern but I'm going to just keep an eye on it for a few days. Her gums are the same color as always, she's still very alert, not pushing currently due to the large rat in her belly. Just gonna make sure she's acting normal during her digestion period and monitor the swelling. If it's the same or worse close to the end of the week then I'll probably make a vet appt.


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I was being a smartass in hopes that you'd post pictures.

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Haha. I was kind of confused on what you meant. It went back to being rainy and gloomy again so couldnt get any outside pics of Caesar. He did somehow manage to get poop on himself last night though which i thought was a cut. He was less than enthused to be dragged out of his cage, washed down with a warm wet paper towel and then have me spot clean his poop. He made a break off the top of his hide for the inside of it and when that wasnt working, he tried to grab onto it with his neck. I put him back after and he sat there just giving me serious stink eye. Didnt move an inch, just stared me down lol. He really wasnt happy about being dragged off his hide even if he was sitting next to a turd and had a nice smear of it on his side.

I'll be getting plenty of pics of everyone come summer time and i get their outside PVC jungle gym built.

Jmcrook - how's Phyllis face and pushing?

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Jmcrook - how's Phyllis face and pushing?

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No pushing the last couple days since she ate, but still a good bit of swelling on her top lip/nose area. No signs of infection but it still worries me a bit. May schedule a vet appointment if it gets worse. Hopefully it goes down a bit over the next few days or a week at most.
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Any other retic keepers care to weigh in on how her face looks? First time dealing with swollen face from pushing


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No pushing the last couple days since she ate, but still a good bit of swelling on her top lip/nose area. No signs of infection but it still worries me a bit. May schedule a vet appointment if it gets worse. Hopefully it goes down a bit over the next few days or a week at most.
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Hey looks OK.

I haven't had a single pushing issue,,,,,, YET,,,, I really think perches and cage height help. It may not be the final solution with large retics, but I'm pretty certain multiple options will help.

There are other things to provide/use, such as a half full water bottle that the snake can move around.

I'm certainly as new a keeper as you are but looking at the wild habits and biology of the species, I'm convinced they will not only use, but "enjoy" as much as a reptile can, the opportunity to perch and coil. I think perches provide a little different option than a shelf.

Unless we all hit the jackpot and win the lottery, I'm guessing we'll all be limited with our housing potential.

I am going 24" tall. I debated, and really wanted the AP cage to make it happen but the price to do it was just not in the cards.

I think you can still make it happen with an 18" tall AP and maybe look into sky hides.

Your SD has more arboreal potential than a female mainland, but even the mainland will perch.

If your temps are on the upper end of the "acceptable range" you could look at putting them at the lower acceptable end of the range and see if the pushing stops.

I really have not had any issues with Wallace being overly hungry or pushy. At least to this point. He has become more active the last week and I do see him facing me when I'm at the cage door but still no striking or pushing.

You've got a beauty there and I hope to see her thrive in years to come. As in the next 20 to 30!

I'd watch it and see if it gets worse like you said. Luckily when Caesar does push, he tends to just shove his head in between the door and litter dam so he only gets the scrapes on the bottom of his chin. He ate a large rat yesterday and good god, i fed Rosey and Vicky and almost got tagged by Vicky. She shot out of the cage and almost got me lol as i was reaching for a sheet of printer paper. But anyways, Caesar must have smelled the rats as he came out of his hide and was staring down as i was feeding Vicky lol. I am floored at the feeding response and 'want' of food from retics. I mean the boas LOVE food too but Caesar takes it to the next level. Heck even Gina and Rango were 'levitating' off the floor of the cage and swaying back and forth cocked and ready to rock haha. The only one who didnt want food was Dottie. She hasnt eaten in just over 3 months.

But like i said, that sucks that Phyllis did that. Was she smashing her face directly into the glass doors? And like Gio said, maybe lower the temps if they are on the high end. I keep Caesar's ambient cage temp around 79-81F depending on the rooms temp and his flexwatt is set for a 90F hot spot.

I'd watch it and see if it gets worse like you said. Luckily when Caesar does push, he tends to just shove his head in between the door and litter dam so he only gets the scrapes on the bottom of his chin. He ate a large rat yesterday and good god, i fed Rosey and Vicky and almost got tagged by Vicky. She shot out of the cage and almost got me lol as i was reaching for a sheet of printer paper. But anyways, Caesar must have smelled the rats as he came out of his hide and was staring down as i was feeding Vicky lol. I am floored at the feeding response and 'want' of food from retics. I mean the boas LOVE food too but Caesar takes it to the next level. Heck even Gina and Rango were 'levitating' off the floor of the cage and swaying back and forth cocked and ready to rock haha. The only one who didnt want food was Dottie. She hasnt eaten in just over 3 months.

But like i said, that sucks that Phyllis did that. Was she smashing her face directly into the glass doors? And like Gio said, maybe lower the temps if they are on the high end. I keep Caesar's ambient cage temp around 79-81F depending on the rooms temp and his flexwatt is set for a 90F hot spot. Height might help but i got Caesar in a T10 with 15" height and a shelf and honestly, Caesar doesnt use the shelf too much anymore. He used it a lot as a baby. Do you have a cool and warm hide? I notice Caesar likes to sleep in one or the other during the day and then at night, he will sit on top of one.

Yeah she smashes her face into the glass st the center support of the front of the cage. Literally puts all of her weight and strength into it. It's borderline disturbing at times. Her temps are spot on, 77-80 cool side, about 88 warm side where she usually hangs out. I had offered two hides until recently because she had never used the cool side hide. She'll have two once she in her bigger cage but for now she wouldn't have any floor space if she had two hides that she can actually fit in. Heck, she's about outgrown her bigger one that I made a few months ago. It's about the size of a large RBI hide. I guess I'm just going to keep her in a food coma until the new cage is done , otherwise I'm afraid she'll really do some damage to her face


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Is Phyllis' face looking better?

Also not sure if it will work with Phyllis but when Caesar pushes, if i slide a door open and leave it about halfway open, Caesar will sit with his face hanging out and looking at stuff or resting on the litter dam. Sometimes though it doesnt work the best and Caesar will try and climb on top of the cage stack or look inside Vicky's cage lol. But most of the time, it quiets him down and after a while he will go inside a hide and sleep.

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Is Phyllis' face looking better?

Also not sure if it will work with Phyllis but when Caesar pushes, if i slide a door open and leave it about halfway open, Caesar will sit with his face hanging out and looking at stuff or resting on the litter dam. Sometimes though it doesnt work the best and Caesar will try and climb on top of the cage stack or look inside Vicky's cage lol. But most of the time, it quiets him down and after a while he will go inside a hide and sleep.

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It looked a bit better last I checked. She's in shed so I haven't seen her in a couple days lol. She shacks up really tight in her hide and doesn't budge until it's time to actually shed.
The thing is she'll push all night while I'm asleep so I can't really leave he door open hahah. If I catch her during the day I'll get her out and let her explore and burn off some energy. I've tried the door half open approach a couple times but she just crawls out and tries to get on top of or behind the cages and gets all tangled up in anything she can find. My flat files are right next to the cages and that's about the last place that I want her to go exploring and get stuck inside. That would be an absolute nightmare


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Update on Queen Phyllis. Her lip looks totally normal now that she's been calm and quiet in her shed cycle. I think she'll likely shed at some point today or tonight. Here she is poking her head out after I sprayed down her cage a bit.
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I'm leaving for 6 days on Saturday morning so I'm hesitant to feed before I leave because I don't want her laying in a bunch of piss and poo starting three or so days after eating, that's her usual bathroom cycle.. but I feel like she's going to push like crazy after she sheds and hasn't eaten in two weeks. I generally try not to feed starting 5 days before I leave for a trip. What would any of you all do in this case?


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Her highness shed last night and looks incredible. Gave me an unbroken 8'+ shed!
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