what types of pythons make what?

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Dude if that's how it would've came out in your first post then I would have never jumped on you like that. And I wouldn't have two infractions to boot lol. Welcome to Bp.net, and enjoy the plethora of information before you.

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You could've avoided the infractions with the way you word your thoughts as well. :gj:

And to add to garrett's new found hobby, there are quite a few breeders (from big to small) that post in here, read through their posts and see the things they share about their experiences. You will learn a lot, and you can also find links to their sites, many of which have nice morphs for sale. *cough*8BallPythons*cough* :gj:

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

You could've avoided the infractions with the way you word your thoughts as well. :gj:

And to add to garrett's new found hobby, there are quite a few breeders (from big to small) that post in here, read through their posts and see the things they share about their experiences. You will learn a lot, and you can also find links to their sites, many of which have nice morphs for sale. *cough*8BallPythons*cough* :gj:

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i will check that out thanks

OK. I don't see how a simple question turned into a fight, but let's get a few things straight here. I tried to let you get in the last word here, but this is getting ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

I pointed out that he would not be able to sell his snakes before doing research because there are a LOT of them out there to be sold by trusted names in the business. IF he was just trying to breed to sell, then he was entering a very competitive field of established morphs and the companies that sell them.

You said:

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First off, your greatest motivation for breeding BPs is the money. Go to kingsnake.com, see the HUNDREDS of baby BPs on sale, witness first hand the morphs for sale and then realize that you have no shot, because you are not :

1- a reputable breeder ( you're a guy that sees a quick buck)
2- knowledgeable enough to create snakes worth buying. (It has nothing to do with being a genetics major, it all comes down to research. I knew nothing 2 weeks ago, I now have a collection to start breeding not for the money, but for the love of BPs and taking part in something as amazing producing piebalds, bumblebees, etc.)
3- smart (you can say all you want, you can measure a person's intelligence by what they say.)

Forget what the nice people here told you and listen to me...do NOT buy, own, care for, house or raise a BP. They are amazing creatures and deserve amazing owners[. . .]

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YOU took a shot at me and called me a rookie, if not knowing about the hundreds of morphs and their compatibilities makes me a rookie, then so be it. I guess everyone knows every aspect of their animals' genetic combo possibilities as soon as they take one into their care. From the beginning of my time in the hobby, I have not been arrogant and unhelpful, rather, I have been concerned for the well being of a random snake in another part of the world.

Me calling you a rookie was not taking a shot at you, it's a term for people who say things like,

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I am not a seasoned breeder by any means. What "I didnt know anything until 2 weeks ago" means is that I had no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible. Whoops.

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Yet, you are now experienced enough to say the things I quoted above. :confused:

Werent you the one that got all flustered over an incubator tutorial because it had potential to cut your profits?

Is this your attempt at a low blow, or did you really have an honest question for me, and think that this thread was the best place for it? This one is an assumption, but I'm guessing that you're smart enough to know that an appropriate thing to do if you had a real question here would be to pm me or at least start a new thread, and not to go way off topic in an existing thread. So I assume this is your attempt at a cheap shot. Since most of the people reading this probably have no idea what you are refering to, I'll be off topic and answer it.

Yes, I'm sure that I am the person you're thinking of. What happened was, I posted a few pictures of an incubator I built, and a couple of the mods here liked it and publicly asked me if I would write a tutorial for it. I publicly replied, saying that I had invested a lot of time and money into prototypes and a surplus of parts and materials, because I was planning to start selling them on my website. I had invested well over $1,000 and had also just been laid off from my job of 8 years. And because I had so much invested, I thanked them for liking it enough to ask, but publicly declined to write the tutorial due to the money I had invested. So when some kid used that to take it upon himself to get the materials list from my old site and post the tutorial of a bastardized version of the exact incubator, I got "flustered", that a member here would show such disrespect to a fellow member by posting my work as his own, after I made it clear that I didn't wish to make the work I had done public information, and then bastardizing the quality and craftsmanship of the incubators with his dime store, aerosol-can-top-light-reflector, styrofoam rig. I would have rather posted a real tutorial, than to have seen that doomed device used for a tutorial that reflected on my design and efforts.

But it is good to know that if people are looking for ways to attack me, something like that is all they will find. Other than superior customer service, integrity is another big factor when deciding who to buy a snake from, and once again, you show yourself to be lacking there as well, right from the beginning of your time in this hobby.


Anyways, I don't really feel like sitting here and arguing with you, so just enjoy doing what you do, and I'll enjoying what I do. And when/if your buddy Garett there decides that he took a long walk off a short pier with his newest money making idea, be kind enough to house the snakes for him, will ya? Shanks.

Will do, partner. I'd be more than happy to rescue any healthy ball python morph. Since you just jumped in to this hobby yourself, purchasing four snakes, and "rescuing" one, all in less than two weeks, hit me up when/if you decide it isn't for you. I'll even pay the shipping for your het albino x poss het LA project. It's cool. A lot of breeders start off with a 6 year project that may never produce anything but normals. :gj:

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Originally Posted by SUPERBALLS

:gj: right back at yah!!!!

More true integrity here. Kind of like the saying about how fools are only assumed to be fools until they open their mouths.

and plus why are you doing all of Garrets talking for him, and turning it on to someone else who is just concerned about a animal, and anyway its Garret whos being extremly inmature not anyone else!!!!!

I just asked why ol' boy was being so negative to a newbie's question here, when he's just a rookie himself. I also knew first hand what his intentions were, and since people were assuming something that wasn't the case, and Garett wasn't here to clarify it, I felt obligated to clarify it myself, before people ended up losing face over trivial assumptions. It was in vein.

The fact is, Garett has a female that is the family pet that they have no intentions of breeding at this point. His kids, wife and himself enjoy having it as a pet, and that's it. They are beginning to research all the different morphs and what is involved in breeding, and discussing the possibility of buying a pair of babies to raise up and breed in an attempt to hatch either a bumble bee or a BEL, which are their two favorite (realistic) balls at this point in there search. He had some questions about the genetic make ups of those, the odds of hitting one, and the difficulty of selling any possible siblings from each project. His question here might have been worded a little badly, but it was hardly anything for people to jump all over and tell him he should never own a single snake. He said that where he lives, he doesn't know of any sort of ball python market, so he was under the impression that it would be very difficult to get rid of any possible siblings if they end up breeding a mojo x mojo or a pastel x spider, and they wanted to know if any kind of market existed out there, and which morphs would be easier to sell. Is that worded better for you guys? Does he pass your test for a grown man being allowed by you guys to own a ball python? If not, give him two weeks and he'll probably be capable of posting videos on Expert Village, with the rest of you authorities.

oh maybe your selling him a snake!
Maybe I am? What would that have to do with anything? Maybe I'm just trying to be helpful, and prevent some people from proving those foolish assumptions...

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But to be perfectly honest, Garett did tell me that he would absolutely buy a snake from me if I ever had something he wanted. I think it has to do with that whole customer service thing and integrity I was talking about.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

No, no Im really done. Me and PW are heading down the mature path and just forgetting it.

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[QUOTE=PythonWallace;1056365]OK. I don't see how a simple question turned into a fight, but let's get a few things straight here. I tried to let you get in the last word here, but this is getting ridiculous.





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But to be perfectly honest, Garett did tell me that he would absolutely buy a snake from me if I ever had something he wanted. I think it has to do with that whole customer service thing and integrity I was talking about.



you are right about that i will be buying 2 snakes from you when i decide what i want and when im ready to try to breed simply because of your integrity!

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Me calling you a rookie was not taking a shot at you, it's a term for people who say things like,
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First off, your greatest motivation for breeding BPs is the money. Go to kingsnake.com, see the HUNDREDS of baby BPs on sale, witness first hand the morphs for sale and then realize that you have no shot, because you are not :

1- a reputable breeder ( you're a guy that sees a quick buck)
2- knowledgeable enough to create snakes worth buying. (It has nothing to do with being a genetics major, it all comes down to research. I knew nothing 2 weeks ago, I now have a collection to start breeding not for the money, but for the love of BPs and taking part in something as amazing producing piebalds, bumblebees, etc.)
3- smart (you can say all you want, you can measure a person's intelligence by what they say.)


Yet, you are now experienced enough to say the things I quoted above.

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Hold on now, I have to gain experience to be able to say common sense things like Garett isn't a reputable breeder? Or the fact that he didn't know what will make a morph for the purpose of selling it? I wasn't calling him out on his lack of information, it was stating fact and then being up in arms because his intentions were unclear. My whole post was based on thinking that he was only interested in the potential income. You told us and then he told us his true intentions, rendering that post invalid. It was my bad to jump the gun and go off.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Hold on now, I have to gain experience to be able to say common sense things like Garett isn't a reputable breeder? Or the fact that he didn't know what will make a morph for the purpose of selling it? I wasn't calling him out on his lack of information, it was stating fact and then being up in arms because his intentions were unclear. My whole post was based on thinking that he was only interested in the potential income. You told us and then he told us his true intentions, rendering that post invalid. It was my bad to jump the gun and go off.

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Man, your selective vision is 20/20.

Go ahead and get in the last word again. I'm done here, unless you want to go off topic to attack me again.

On a separate note, I apologize to the staff and members here for the name calling in the screen shot I posted. I should have read through it a little better before making that PM public. It earned me an infraction point, and rightfully so. It's especially embarrassing, being that I had just brought up integrity. Public name calling was not my intention there. :oops:

I have a pie ball and I am wanting to breed it with a bumblebee does anybody have pictures of any snakes I have been produced off of these two animals

8 year old thread.