BallpythonZone.com Split - Wild caught BP

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Although I agree with most of which you said bout taking care of WCs I don't understand this statement. You make it sound as if they're defective animals like people not breeding caramels because of kinking or spiders because of wobbling. If I had a couple of adult WC females who ate well and were of acceptable breeding size I wouldn't hesitate to pair them up with one of my CB morph males.

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Not at all! I don't breed rescue animals. Seeing as most Wild Caughts that end up at my door step are rescues, I won't breed them.

I pretty much figure that they've had it this tough so far, they deserve a stress free, worry free, lifestyle. :)

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

I pretty much figure that they've had it this tough so far, they deserve a stress free, worry free, lifestyle. :)

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You're erroneously applying human feelings to an animal with no emotions. Breeding/laying eggs is a natural part of ball python life, there is a reason why ball pythons will go off feed certain times of the year, and it isn't cause they are tired of eating.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

You're erroneously applying human feelings to an animal with no emotions. Breeding/laying eggs is a natural part of ball python life, there is a reason why ball pythons will go off feed certain times of the year, and it isn't cause they are tired of eating.

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Just a personal preference. I am not applying any emotions. I'm not saying it as a blanket statement, I am saying my personal preference. I have nothing against others breeding their Wild Caught females.

Breeding/laying eggs is natural, but it is also stressful for the animal. The animals stops feeding and puts all effort into the production of eggs. With the Wild Caught animals I've worked with, this isn't something I want to put them through.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

Just a personal preference. I am not applying any emotions. I'm not saying it as a blanket statement, I am saying my personal preference. I have nothing against others breeding their Wild Caught females.

Breeding/laying eggs is natural, but it is also stressful for the animal. The animals stops feeding and puts all effort into the production of eggs. With the Wild Caught animals I've worked with, this isn't something I want to put them through.

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I can understand that it's a personal preference, I just wanted to make it clear that there is nothing wrong with it. Ball pythons are easily stressed animals, honestly they are, it isn't saying much when you say they're stressed.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I can understand that it's a personal preference, I just wanted to make it clear that there is nothing wrong with it. Ball pythons are easily stressed animals, honestly they are, it isn't saying much when you say they're stressed.

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now arent you the one applying human emotion...:D

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I can understand that it's a personal preference, I just wanted to make it clear that there is nothing wrong with it. Ball pythons are easily stressed animals, honestly they are, it isn't saying much when you say they're stressed.

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Nope, not saying something is wrong with the animal. As in, they are below grade or deformed. Simply stating most of the Wild Caughts that were sent my way were physically jacked up (burns, scars, etc). I understand not all Wild Caught animals are this way, but the ones I rescued were.

I wasn't really referring to "mental stress", more physical stress on the body. :)

I personally own Captive Hatched animals, I wouldn't have a problem in the world breeding them. My Captive Hatched females are actually better eaters than most of my Captive Born females. They are little sausages. :D

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Originally Posted by azpythons

now arent you the one applying human emotion...:D

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We use the word stress to refer to when our animals aren't acting as they normally would in a negative aspect (as in they don't have a hide anymore and they won't eat so that means they're stressed).

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

I'm going to have macaroni and cheese for breakfast!! :banana:

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I don't eat breakfast. But I had eggs and hashbrowns for lunch at Waffle House! :)

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

Just a personal preference. I am not applying any emotions. I'm not saying it as a blanket statement, I am saying my personal preference. I have nothing against others breeding their Wild Caught females.

Breeding/laying eggs is natural, but it is also stressful for the animal. The animals stops feeding and puts all effort into the production of eggs. With the Wild Caught animals I've worked with, this isn't something I want to put them through.

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I will not point fingers at either Aaron's or your arguments, however, I will say that enough scientific research has not been done, and I don't even think that technologies exist to do the type of research or learning that needs to be done to make the statements that I have read. Personally, I believe that after a few million years of evolution, I still think that these animals are programmed to do a restricted number of acts. Eating, drinking, surviving and procreating. I am not saying that you will "drive a snake to insanity", but I don't think you are putting as the type of stress that you and I regard as bad on an animal that yearns to pass on it's genes.

Just my thoughts,

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Originally Posted by azpythons

now arent you the one applying human emotion...:D

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Stress shouldn't be considered a human emotion, or an emotion at all if you ask me. All animals can experience stress. There is distress and eustress.

Merriam- Webster's Dictionary

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Pain or suffering affecting the body, a bodily part, or the mind : trouble, a painful situation : misfortune: a state of danger or desperate need

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Distressed is another way of saying upset, disturbed, afflicted, pretty much something the animal doesn't like to experience, whether that be physically or as in a situation.

But that's just my two cents.