living together?

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

Telling me that I'm arguing with some high and mighty breeder is self explanatory, IMO. And read up on yearly breeding. See how healthy it is for a snake, lol.

Personal experience also. I kept two red tail males together because I had a HUGE enclosure for them. Had two warm sides, two cool sides. Hide logs, plenty of cypress mulch for them to burrow under if they wanted. Multiple water dishes. It was BEAUTIFUL.

Neither showed any signs of aggression towards me previous to them co-habitating. They refused food. They would shed in tons of little pieces, and I was pretty ridiculous about the humidity and temps. They would also strike at me, hiss at me, and just be plain old MEAN. I separated them and they are both eating every 12 days (my feeding schedule) and they're actually healthier loooking.

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That is your problem there. Never house 2 males together. I even said...my pair I house together is 1.1

NEVER house males together, no matter how large the enclosure is.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

They could possibly have been living on the cardboard box I brought the rats home in. But I had rats and a box from a petstore. I touched my purse, the rats, the box, and drove home. After that, I switched to f/t and never had an issue again.

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Okay, so we have come to the conclusion. Your mites were rather from the store itself, not the rodent. So it can't be used as a reasonable threat since many thousands of people buy live rodents from pet stores weekly with no infestation of snake mites.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Can you bring this source for yearly breeding into this convo? I would love to read up on that myself, since not all sources are created equal.

So you will gladly admit that you have not had that same experience with carpets then? Can you also admit that perhaps what didn't work for you, can work for someone else?

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After one bad experience with my redtails, I wasn't stupid enough to make that mistake. Gimme some time to dig up some articles on healthy breeding for snakes and I'll post them.

And no, I won't admit it will work for someone else. What part of "snakes do not cohabitate together in the wild" do you not understand? Snakes are solitary animals. As I said, it's our job to re-create a natural setting for an exotic animal. There is no domesticating a snake. Housing multiple snakes in one enclosure is not natural.

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Okay, so we have come to the conclusion. Your mites were rather from the store itself, not the rodent. So it can't be used as a reasonable threat since many thousands of people buy live rodents from pet stores weekly with no infestation of snake mites.

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There's no guranteeing that the mites weren't from the bedding the rats were in either. The store pulls the bedding OFF the shelf that mites could have laid nests in. The rats could have carried the eggs in on their fur into my house. Who knows? Nothing is impossible with mites.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

That is your problem there. Never house 2 males together. I even said...my pair I house together is 1.1

NEVER house males together, no matter how large the enclosure is.

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Thanks for pointing that out.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

Thanks for pointing that out.

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No problem! We are here to help! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

After one bad experience with my redtails, I wasn't stupid enough to make that mistake. Gimme some time to dig up some articles on healthy breeding for snakes and I'll post them.

And no, I won't admit it will work for someone else. What part of "snakes do not cohabitate together in the wild" do you not understand? Snakes are solitary animals. As I said, it's our job to re-create a natural setting for an exotic animal. There is no domesticating a snake. Housing multiple snakes in one enclosure is not natural.

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LOL, I understand what you are saying, I do not agree with this finality of your statements, as if you have had experience following each species of snakes in the wild, and can say with such authority that NO snakes are ever found in the same habitat at the same time.

They are not social animals, and I understand the points you're trying to make, however I do not agree with your attitude of telling others that the ways they have been keeping their animals is wrong, when they have a long history with working with the species.

It's unconventional, and may not be for a novice keeper, however Jerhart and Colin Vestrand are not novices, they are weathered carpet keepers and know a thing or two when it comes to keeping and breeding carpets.

To stand on a soapbox and tell them they are wrong, when clearly you do NOT have any of the same experience working with the animals... :weirdface

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

LOL, I understand what you are saying, I do not agree with this finality of your statements, as if you have had experience following each species of snakes in the wild, and can say with such authority that NO snakes are ever found in the same habitat at the same time.

They are not social animals, and I understand the points you're trying to make, however I do not agree with your attitude of telling others that the ways they have been keeping their animals is wrong, when they have a long history with working with the species.

It's unconventional, and may not be for a novice keeper, however Jerhart and Colin Vestrand are not novices, they are weathered carpet keepers and know a thing or two when it comes to keeping and breeding carpets.

To stand on a soapbox and tell them they are wrong, when clearly you do NOT have any of the same experience working with the animals.

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Then get off yours and stop telling me what experience I have. Thanks for playing!

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There's no guranteeing that the mites weren't from the bedding the rats were in either. The store pulls the bedding OFF the shelf that mites could have laid nests in. The rats could have carried the eggs in on their fur into my house. Who knows? Nothing is impossible with mites.

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No, snake mites adhere to the surface they are laid on, it is extremely unlikely for the rat to "pick up" the eggs in the manner you imply. That is one of the reasons mite eggs are so hard to get rid of, because how well they stick to surfaces.

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Then get off yours and stop telling me what experience I have. Thanks for playing!

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You said yourself you do not have experience with carpets. So... I can only repeat what you type here today. :gj: