How do you tell a Yellowbelly from a Normal?

All I can say is Dang. I know Carole, and I know her well. She is 110% legit, I also know the auction she speaks of, I was there. The yellow belly was bought from that auction by her, and I seen the whole thing. She is only selling this animal for what she was told it was when she bought it. I am no expert on ball pythons, but I do not see the difference in the pic that Mrs. Wong posted, and this one:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/27162...33952798YodHFL

Carole is no expert on ball pythons, and I am not either. Why don't you help her out Mike in understanding the differences, instead of trying to make out like she is trying to be a scammer? I mean this is a forum that helps others learn, correct?

Thanks Bobby. I realize I was a bit defensive at first but I really think I have a yellow belly here. Bobby saw it and so did several other people. They all commented on what a nice yellow belly it was.

I think people are arguing over "verbage" and such now. I really didnt mean to a)sound like the breeder of the animal or b) try to scam anyone. THAT is what really got my dander up. Gotta love the internet.

Carole

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Originally Posted by varnyard

All I can say is Dang. I know Carole, and I know her well. She is 110% legit, I also know the auction she speaks of, I was there. The yellow belly was bought from that auction by her, and I seen the whole thing. She is only selling this animal for what she was told it was when she bought it. I am no expert on ball pythons, but I do not see the difference in the pic that Mrs. Wong posted, and this one:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/27162...33952798YodHFL

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Hiyah Bobby! Good to see you here.

First off, I'm not married ;) Mrs. Wong was my grandmother.

Secondly, from the images that are on the ad, they aren't the best, which is why I asked to see some better pics of the sides and a full image of the animal.

From what I could see, it doesn't appear to be IMO.

Typical YBs have blushing up the sides, a mottled side pattern along the bellies, and don't have "yellow bellies".

THIS is a Yellowbelly...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1070764.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1070765.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1070766.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1070767.jpg

And it is a subtle morph to be difficult to distinguish in some cases, or else we wouldn't be having this debate.

The Hunters Guide to morphs may help you a bit more in being able to pick out Yellowbellies..

Hi, I used a substandard camera to take those pics because I was lazy and didnt want to fetch the good one. I thought it would be ok. I will try and take some in the morning. The snake ate today and I dont want to cause him undo stress right now. I will try and take pics like the ones you have there. I think he looks fairly similar.

Thank you,
Carole

i think yellow bellies are the most boring morph. its pretty much just like a normal.

Hi Heather,

OK, just uploaded more pics to
http://pets.webshots.com/album/559330207JYQSdN

Not sure if they are any better. I thought bouncing the flash would work but I think it might be worse. Let me know what you think. All the new ones have a purple background. He was very cooperative. In any case a very nice snake. :)

Thanks so much for looking,
Carole

Carole - IMO it's not a YB - tho there are more subtle lines it still lacks the basic coloring that is really predominant in even the subtle YBs - contact the breeder that produced it - perhaps they can give you more insight into why they thought it was a YB.

Good luck.

Hi again, here is what the breeder had to say about it...

I produced about 8 yellowbellies from a YB I bought from Mike Derks at whitewater reptiles, who bought his animal directly from Amir. It is not the best yellowbelly, but I am quite sure it is. I looked at the thread you are talking about. The Het male is 100% het albino that I produced. If you are interested in checking my reputation, go to Fauna Classifieds BOI and type Natures Spirit or Casey Hulse. The only way to prove out a "suspected" yellow belly is to breed it.


Carole

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Carole - IMO it's not a YB - tho there are more subtle lines it still lacks the basic coloring that is really predominant in even the subtle YBs - contact the breeder that produced it - perhaps they can give you more insight into why they thought it was a YB.

Thank you, the coloration thing is what I have been wondering about since I saw Heathers posts. I truly thought I had one.

Thanks again,
Carole

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Originally Posted by Nate

I have no issue with you, or anyone for that matter, telling it like it is. The community needs more of that, HOWEVER, there certainly are better ways to approach a topic without coming off as a virtual bully, so to speak.

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Understood. Sorry.

Mikey