Putting Ball Pythons on a vegan diet

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Originally Posted by Sonya610

I never saw that episode, but I know I have seen a couple of other House episodes that were obviously based in part on real life stories.

The real couple was afraid of hospitals, gave birth in a bathtub, and their kid never saw a doctor until the end (so the House story may have been pretty accurate).

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1768368.ece

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It was one of those side-stories in an episode(where dr house works in the clinic), there was a dangerously undernourished baby raised by vegans who may have been arrested at some point(I can't remember for sure) but at one point they said "we're vegans, but we consulted an infant nutritionist for our baby!", and upon further testing it turned out the infant had some disorder of some kind.

The whole vegetarian/vegan lifestyle is difficult. I have two cousins(sisters) that are veggies, and when the older got married and had a kid, she was told during a doctor's visit while she was pregnant that her kid was underweight. Her doctor told her she had to start eating meat or risk serious problems. As much as it killed her to do it, she started downing steak and burgers, and pretty immediately their kid's weight bumped up to a normal range.

As far as this thread goes, I like to consider myself a pretty big hippie in a ton of regards. However, I have no qualms about eating meat. I eat other animals. I LOVE red meat and fish. There is a hunter/predator within me that is more than capable of going after, killing, cleaning, cooking, and eating my quarry. I just wish cows were a native species I could hunt.. I love my steak.

But I still call myself a hippie just about every day :D

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

It was one of those side-stories in an episode(where dr house works in the clinic), there was a dangerously undernourished baby raised by vegans who may have been arrested at some point(I can't remember for sure) but at one point they said "we're vegans, but we consulted an infant nutritionist for our baby!", and upon further testing it turned out the infant had some disorder of some kind.

The whole vegetarian/vegan lifestyle is difficult. I have two cousins(sisters) that are veggies, and when the older got married and had a kid, she was told during a doctor's visit while she was pregnant that her kid was underweight. Her doctor told her she had to start eating meat or risk serious problems. As much as it killed her to do it, she started downing steak and burgers, and pretty immediately their kid's weight bumped up to a normal range.

As far as this thread goes, I like to consider myself a pretty big hippie in a ton of regards. However, I have no qualms about eating meat. I eat other animals. I LOVE red meat and fish. There is a hunter/predator within me that is more than capable of going after, killing, cleaning, cooking, and eating my quarry. I just wish cows were a native species I could hunt.. I love my steak.

But I still call myself a hippie just about every day :D

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Right on! I feel the same way!

I view vegetarianism (and subsequently veganism) much like I view religious fanaticism.

First let me say that I am a Christian (hang with me, I do have a point...I'll take you to Mordor and bring you right back to the Shire). Many so-called "Christians" actually have a very narrow view what it means to be one, as well as interpreting the Bible, and whatnot. Thus, we have devout and passionate people with a lot of heart, but short on knowledge with what they're actually talking about. So no matter what, you have these "fanatic" fundamentalists who come across as shoving their belief system down your throat whether you want it or not. And in the end, it effectively turns more people away from their objective (which is winning souls for Christ).

Vegetarians come across much the same way. Telling me that I am unhealthy for eating meat is not only innaccurate, but also puts me on the defensive and turns me off completely. I have had too many vegans try to shove their lifestyle down my throat.

I eat meat all the time. Now, there are certain meats I won't eat, but I still think I'm pretty darn healthy for eating as much meat as I do; I'm not overweight (actually a little under, probably), I have a great immune system, I actually have low blood pressure, etc.

Meat is just like anything else; its fine in moderation and if its good quality.

I personally think anyone who keeps carnivorous or insectivorous animals and calls themselves a vegetarian is a little hypocritical. Here's why: if, by your own reckoning, you imply that animals have feelings/emotions, etc or "people are animals, too" or however you want to word it, essentially you're saying we're all on the same playing field. So how is you eating chicken or fish any different than Monty eating a rat?

Someone touched on it earlier; the human body is designed to take in a certain amount in its diet. I don't care what you say, but some of the necessary proteins, etc you get from meat cannot by substituted by anything else in the other food groups. Thats why pregnant women need meat, among other things.

Well India is primarily Hindu and they do NOT eat meat (though they do eat dairy). They have been doing that for a heck of a long time now, and they don't seem to be going extinct by any means. I am not a vegetarian, but the belief that people can't be vegetarians and breed in great numbers successfully for centuries is obviously incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Sonya610

Well India is primarily Hindu and they do NOT eat meat (though they do eat dairy). They have been doing that for a heck of a long time now, and they don't seem to be going extinct by any means. I am not a vegetarian, but the belief that people can't be vegetarians and breed in great numbers successfully for centuries is obviously incorrect.

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Whats their mortality rate? (minus unnatural deaths like murders and vehicular accidents, etc)

LOL I remember that episode, the babies name was Olive :)

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Originally Posted by Ophiuchus

I view vegetarianism (and subsequently veganism) much like I view religious fanaticism.

First let me say that I am a Christian (hang with me, I do have a point...I'll take you to Mordor and bring you right back to the Shire). Many so-called "Christians" actually have a very narrow view what it means to be one, as well as interpreting the Bible, and whatnot. Thus, we have devout and passionate people with a lot of heart, but short on knowledge with what they're actually talking about. So no matter what, you have these "fanatic" fundamentalists who come across as shoving their belief system down your throat whether you want it or not. And in the end, it effectively turns more people away from their objective (which is winning souls for Christ).

Vegetarians come across much the same way. Telling me that I am unhealthy for eating meat is not only innaccurate, but also puts me on the defensive and turns me off completely. I have had too many vegans try to shove their lifestyle down my throat.

I eat meat all the time. Now, there are certain meats I won't eat, but I still think I'm pretty darn healthy for eating as much meat as I do; I'm not overweight (actually a little under, probably), I have a great immune system, I actually have low blood pressure, etc.

Meat is just like anything else; its fine in moderation and if its good quality.

I personally think anyone who keeps carnivorous or insectivorous animals and calls themselves a vegetarian is a little hypocritical. Here's why: if, by your own reckoning, you imply that animals have feelings/emotions, etc or "people are animals, too" or however you want to word it, essentially you're saying we're all on the same playing field. So how is you eating chicken or fish any different than Monty eating a rat?

Someone touched on it earlier; the human body is designed to take in a certain amount in its diet. I don't care what you say, but some of the necessary proteins, etc you get from meat cannot by substituted by anything else in the other food groups. Thats why pregnant women need meat, among other things.

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Check the posts. No vegans/vegetarians told any meat eaters they were unhealthy. It was actually the meat eaters [ what a shocker ] who were pulling that junk. In my experience with non-meat eaters, they don't tell you you're unhealthy; they tell you how amazing they feel off meat, and that bothers A LOT of meat eaters. Vegans don't have to tell them they're unhealthy. They just have to look at the person arguing with them about their diet. ;)

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Originally Posted by Ophiuchus

Whats their mortality rate? (minus unnatural deaths like murders and vehicular accidents, etc)

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Check it. http://indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=in&v=26

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Originally Posted by jorgasm

Check the posts. No vegans/vegetarians told any meat eaters they were unhealthy.

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I never said anyone specifically in this thread did.

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It was actually the meat eaters [ what a shocker ] who were pulling that junk.

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I can't speak for everyone, but I'm only going what I've experienced. I've actually had people come up and tell me to my face that I was going to hell for eating a hamburger. I'm not saying every veggie-lover is the same (why, thats just stereotyping!), but to be perfectly honest, I've never met a vegan/vegetarian who did not come across with a superiority complex.

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In my experience with non-meat eaters, they don't tell you you're unhealthy; they tell you how amazing they feel off meat, and that bothers A LOT of meat eaters.

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Fantastic. I just wish they'd shut the heck up when I mentioned how great I feel when I eat meat. Double-standards irritate me.

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Vegans don't have to tell them they're unhealthy. They just have to look at the person arguing with them about their diet. ;)

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So, what are you saying? I detect a subtle jab at meat-eaters in that statement.:rolleyes:

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I actually did this, but it was a little tricky.

My ball python was dead set against this at first, but I decided to reward him by taking him out of his tank and giving him room to play.

I ended up having to give him his own room and marking the wall that faced towards Mecca. Once he was sufficiently trained not only did he swear off pork products but he decided to make the leap and swear off all meat products.

Yes we can. Join the movement.

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