Feeding live rats (somewhat gruesome story beware plz)

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Originally Posted by dr del

What do you feed your cats?

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Owned.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Don't take this the wrong way but I have to ask.

Given these quotes;







And your signature ( my bolding ) ;



What do you feed your cats?

dr del

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See, now what you did to socal here, is what the news dose when they show a story about someone they dont like, where they edit the video to make the person look bad/stupid/wrong. thats not really fair to do that.

And yes, i have no compassion for rats. they are dirty little creatures. also i live in nyc, and here rats are huge, dirty mean and they also carry the bubonic plauge. i just dont like them. and dont take that and twist it to say that i dont care about animals. its just rats.

Hi,

I like him fine. :)

The point I quoted was the main point he was making and arguing in this thread - I don't think I was out of line asking if he extended the same principle to a different pet.

If he doesn't then I also think it is fair to ask why - I am not trying to make him look stupid or bad I am trying to get him to look at the subject from a different angle.

Oh and while your local wild rats may indeed be huge and horrible they most definately do not carry bubonic plauge.

And I'm sure you know the difference between domesticated and wild animals.


dr del

ummm, yes they do, and so do many wild rodents. they carry the fleas that carry the plague. But remember the plague was only detrimental because they did not have the technology to fight the sickness. It is no harder to cure now than a common cold.

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Originally Posted by dr del

What do you feed your cats?
dr del

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Cats are one of a group of animals that are known to hunt and kill for fun or enjoyment. This predatory behavior is the very reason man domesticated the cat, as live in exterminators. After centuries of this domestication we have created a prolifically breeding killer, that everyone thinks is addorable. The common house cat kills more animals in a predatory manner in the US than any other animal yearly. It is not hard to believe considering how populated they are, and that this is the very reason they were domesticated. When they leave it on the doorstep they are trying to impress you.

My cats eat whiskas, but they also are allowed to go outside, where they do exercise their predatory behaviors. They have brought home some pretty interesting stuff. I haven't(or wouldn't) consider living anywhere that wouldn't let me have my cats outdoors. (Note both my cats are fixed, otherwise it would be a different story).

Having said that... I don't think my cats are a very fair comparison here, being mammals, and pack animals, that have evolved to cohabitate with humans over centuries. I wouldn't feed Whiskas to a captive bobcat or tiger. But a house cat is a different story, because at this point if we let them hunt as predators for their means of survival they would cause an incredible amount of damage to wildlife(more than they do already).

And respectfully...This "owned" bull crap is freaking stupid... I am not trying to show anyone up...Or compete for anything... I am trying to have an educated discussion with a forum of people, not just to state my thoughts, but learn from others as well. Save your little comments for video games.

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Originally Posted by spokism

See, now what you did to socal here, is what the news dose when they show a story about someone they dont like, where they edit the video to make the person look bad/stupid/wrong. thats not really fair to do that.

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I'm sorry you think those were my tactics...but they weren't. I simply brought forth valid observation from my own experience. At the same time I acknowledged that this could and may have been a singular instance in a particular snake caused by other husbandry issues. I didn't edit anything... and my account is is no way biased. "See now what you did?" Pointing the finger...Come on now...:colbert:

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Originally Posted by anendeloflorien

Well you can't really say that that is what they eat in the wild. We're talking about domesticated rats here which, I know it sounds crazy but bear with me, are not native to AFRICA!

I'll try her again on either PK or stunned but no more live, she'll switch to FT eventually.

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just wondering what the dif is of finishing the rat off after the snake almost kills it orstunning it or p/k it your self seems pretty much the same to me except for if the snake does it right it is being done naturally:snake:

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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon

My cats eat whiskas, but they also are allowed to go outside, where they do exercise their predatory behaviors. They have brought home some pretty interesting stuff. I haven't(or wouldn't) consider living anywhere that wouldn't let me have my cats outdoors. (Note both my cats are fixed, otherwise it would be a different story).

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I would never in my life allow my cats to be outdoor cats. They do eat birds/lizards... some people kill cats for that. Some people kill cats because they go to the bathroom on their yards. Some people kill cats because they do not like them. If someone runs over a cat, they most likely will not stop for it.

I'm going to send you a link I would like you to read, I do not want to post it here because I do not want to get in trouble with the other forum since I know some members of it are on here.

In zoos they have environment enrichment, if you are worried about your pets getting stimulated then look it up, cats play with toys and strings because they are practicing their hunting behaviors, play with your cats. I spend more time with my cats than any sane person should, they play, they have cat towers so they can stretch their back naturally like the would on a tree outdoors. I keep them inside for safety reasons, since their safety is my main concern, I am responsible for them and I act accordingly.

Anyways this is about snakes. They may not be domesticated like cats and dogs are, but they are being kept as pets none the less. No one is less of a keeper because they choose to feed f/t, no one is a better keeper because they feed them live. I do not even understand the argument here! And I don't think anyone is trying to own anyone, someone was just sharing an experience and they have every right to not want to go through that experience again even if there is a slight chance that would ever happen again.

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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon

I am not trying to show anyone up...Or compete for anything... I am trying to have an educated discussion with a forum of people, not just to state my thoughts, but learn from others as well. Save your little comments for video games.

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Educating people would be to list the pros and cons of both feeding methods, educating them about the different options, and in the end leave it to each owner to decide which one is best for them. What happen here is that you are making judgment on people who choose to feed F/T just like pro F/T people try to pass judgments on people who feed live, and in both case it is WRONG.

Learn to respect each owner’s choice to feed what works for their animals and is convenient for them while educating them about the different options available to them.

Note 1: I would have step in the same way if someone was opposed to live feeding.

Note 2: I feed live because it works and it is convenient for me ;)

From what was described, it sounds to me like an over fed ball python that wasn't hungry and given too big of a prey item ... The bite and constriction was defensive and not a feeding response ... you're very lucky ... but of course, I wasn't there so I couldn't be certain ... I'm just speculating based on my experience.

Hope this helps.

-adam