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i suppose its only bad in our opinion and if it doesnt affect the snake then let it be.

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Originally Posted by soy.lor.n

But how do you know it's a disorder, or a negative trait? I'm asking mostly because I'm curious about it...
I have a friend who has a pretty bad tic every time he talks...it makes him seem really awkward as a first impression...should he not breed either?

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I don't see how it could be considered anything other than a negative trait. Have you ever seen a spider that is a bad spinner? It is very disturbing to watch. I may be able to find a video when I get home of one of my friends spiders spinning. I would consider his to be about a 5 on a scale of 1-10 as far as spinning goes. I'll post it if I can find it.

As for your friend, I don't now what his problem is or know how bad the problem you mention is, but if it was a genetic disorder and would be passed on to his children 100% of the time like the wobble is passed down in spiders I would think it would be better for him not to have children. I know if it were me I would prefer not to have children than to pass on known genetic problems to my kids. I would just adopt.

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Originally Posted by veedubz

i suppose its only bad in our opinion and if it doesnt affect the snake then let it be.

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How do you know it does not affect the snake? Just because it eats and breeds does not mean it has an optimal quality of life.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

How do you know it does not affect the snake? Just because it eats and breeds does not mean it has an optimal quality of life.

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Since we can not understand the language of 'snake' we have to use measures that we can extrapolate information from- like eating and breeding.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

I don't see how it could be considered anything other than a negative trait. Have you ever seen a spider that is a bad spinner? It is very disturbing to watch. I may be able to find a video when I get home of one of my friends spiders spinning. I would consider his to be about a 5 on a scale of 1-10 as far as spinning goes. I'll post it if I can find it.

As for your friend, I don't now what his problem is or know how bad the problem you mention is, but if it was a genetic disorder and would be passed on to his children 100% of the time like the wobble is passed down in spiders I would think it would be better for him not to have children. I know if it were me I would prefer not to have children than to pass on known genetic problems to my kids. I would just adopt.

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While trying to keep from invoking Godwin's Law, I'm going to again point out that things that one person might see as a "problem" might, to someone else, just be a harmless quirk in their personality. And no one thinks we should all be exactly the same!
As I mentioned before, albinism is known to cause problems in wild animals, but very few of the folks around here seem to mind the breeding of them...
As I said, I don't know anything about wobbling though, which is the reason I'm here asking about it. I just wonder if there's evidence that it's bad, other then "it seems bad." For all we know, it might give them a superior ability to do...something (though it doesn't seem likely)

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Originally Posted by pfan151

The provided link agrees with me that normal sibs do not exhibit the trait. What are you trying to say???

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"I do believe that breeders have seen “spinning” in spider siblings, but I don’t think that it is any more common in the normal looking siblings of spiders than it is in any other normal looking ball python."

It never said it doesn't happen. Just said its not as common in normal sibs as it is in spiders.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

I would just adopt.

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Kids, We don't need not stinking kids. Sorry I had to. I agree if there is something like the spinning or wobble in the spiders. That could be passed into the kids then I wouldn't breed myself to whatever female I was going to breed to. If something was wrong with me and I passed it onto my kid I don't know what I would do. Or like in the spiders the ones that don't do it can have babies that do. So ok my kids don't do it but then my grand kids do. So if I had something going on that I know is going to be passed on to my kids or their kids. I would go out and grab the bolt cutters right now and take care of it. OK sorry thats a bit out there but you know what I was talking about.

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Originally Posted by starmom

Since we can not understand the language of 'snake' we have to use measures that we can extrapolate information from- like eating and breeding.

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I eat and breed (not as much as I would like But anyways) Thats not a sign of me having a good or bad life. If im homeless haven't ate in a week. You throw just about anything in front of me chances are im going to eat it. I guess same goes with breeding. If I haven't been bred in 6 months, 1 year or whatever. Im going to breed anything you throw in front of me. (maybe) So just because im eating and breeding doesn't prove that I have a good life. But then again eating and breeding what else does a guy need.

I think when you are looking at spiders you need to ask the right questions about it. From what I have seen the wobbling/spining can be reduced by breeding quality non wobbling/spinning animals. It all comes back to knowing who you get an animal from and getting quality snakes/spiders.

When I buy a spider I look for high white, reduced pattern and little or no signs of wobble(I wouldnt even look at anything spinning, big difference)). I also will pay more than the best price on KS to get what I want. Buy quality:snake: from reputable people and you are fine.
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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

From what I have seen the wobbling/spining can be reduced by breeding quality non wobbling/spinning animals.

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Actually no, it can't. Slight spinners produce train wrecks and vice-versa. There is no such thing as a non wobbling/spinning spider.