Does anyone not like morphs.....

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Originally Posted by N4S

Nope.

No problems with NERD. JoshJP7 mentioned them first so I used them as an example. And I never used their names in a negative way or downplayed them. I am aware that they are one of the more reputable breeders out there.

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Thanks for clearing that up! :)

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

Heck I just found a breeder in Erie PA that I met at a herp show here on sunday.

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I am originally from Erie. May I ask his name? Just curious. :)

i like morphs

I do not not like morphs. :D

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Originally Posted by westcoastjungle

Quality doesn't just mean it will breed, it means is it the correct sex? prices can vary dramatically from one sex to another. Is it healthy, mites? RI? wounds, neurilogical disorders? IBD? some of these could wipe out your whole collection. Is it eating or has it ever ate. I see people selling animals close to death. Is it really a het? I have seen and heard some horror stories, animals with gashes, wanna be morphs that aren't.

When I first started collecting morphs I received a pastel male that was supposed to be a female and we are talking big difference in price at the time.
I recieved an albino that had a imune system disorder and died. These were great deals on KS. Those graet deals cost me many $1,000 of dollars and put my breeding projects back years.

Just because Joe blow wants to sell them cheap doesn't mean everyone will follow.
Just because you produce snakes doesn't mean you are gonna sell them.

When you have established a name and a positive reputation then people will buy your snakes and take your prices seriously.

But just because you bred some snakes and think you can sell them cheaper doesn't mean anyone is gonna take you seriously when no one knows who the hell you are.

Yeah you may sell some to some newbies and hopefully you are honest but there are alot of scams, liars and down right thieves out there. Do your homework, check the BOI ask about people on forums and know what questions to ask about a particular morph. Does the spider spin bad? high white? I saw a guy selling normals as cinnies, cheap of course. People selling hets with paperwork they cpoied from other breeders(normals of course), cheap of course.

That is what quality and peace of mind are. Don't get me wrong we all want a good deal but you want it from a trustworthy source, not some random guy on KS. I've been there done that and would like to help other not make the mistakes I made when I started.


Best one yet a friend of a friend bought a BP morph for over a grand($1,000) on KS, great deal and got a corn snake. Ouch!

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I'm late on this thread But I vouch for him I have lost $2,000 in a bad deal with a scammer that has also set my breeding back years. I used to buy from the cheapest around but after meeting people and bad experience it's worth the extra money.

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Originally Posted by Jonny2184

I can't imagine someone not liking a Pied Ball...
No way! Morphs are the best!

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Actually Pieds are probably my least favorite morph. I don't know why, but I just don't think they look very cool/good. That being said, I'm sure everyone has a morph or two they don't like, but to hate all of them to the point where you'll only like normals? That I couldn't understand.

When you guys say you'd rather buy from KS (kingsnake) are you talkin about kingsnake.com? Can someone provide me a direct link to the KS breeder website? Thanks a lot :)

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

And that's really just the way life is - Ball python morphs, to me, are a luxury and like most luxury items, not everyone can have them. It's not like it's god-given right to own a Ferrari, right?

A good rule to go by, is to never spend more than you can afford to lose...to some people that is tens of thousands of dollars, to others that is tens of dollars...I go back to what I said before, that's what so great about ball pythons - there's an animal that fits everyone's taste, and bank account.

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Well your analogy is not a very good one. a Ferrari is on a whole other level then any other normal car. From the suspension, to the engine, to the interior, to the handling, to over all performance. unlike that of any other vehicle. To me a morph is just another ball python with a real cool paint job. Is it any better then a normal? No, its going to act and live the same as any normal,. so for just a different coat of paint it's hundreds extra? It ridiculous.

and like I said before I don't plan on breeding so I have nothing to lose. And because someone else wants to try and test the market on breeding, some current breeders may inflate the price and make it very hard for someone who may want to breed make thier money back. Or for an every day average guy to get something he likes and wants as a pet or a display.

It comes a point where people no longer do this for the love of an animal. They do it purely for the money and don't care about the animals health, safety, or well being. All they can think about is "Whats the next trick I can go for to fatten my pocket book"? It's really quite a shame honestly.

And with the comment about a ball to fit everyones bank account. Are you refering to a normal just being the ghetto's version or a poor mans versions? Which then could be a post asked "Does anyone still like normals"?

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

Well your analogy is not a very good one. a Ferrari is on a whole other level then any other normal car. From the suspension, to the engine, to the interior, to the handling, to over all performance. unlike that of any other vehicle. To me a morph is just another ball python with a real cool paint job. Is it any better then a normal? No, its going to act and live the same as any normal,. so for just a different coat of paint it's hundreds extra? It ridiculous.

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Pick apart my analogy all you want - did you at least get the idea there?

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

It comes a point where people no longer do this for the love of an animal. They do it purely for the money and don't care about the animals health, safety, or well being. All they can think about is "Whats the next trick I can go for to fatten my pocket book"? It's really quite a shame honestly.

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There are professional breeders that feed their kids on the income generated from producing ball pythons. To say that it's a "shame" is a really misguided way of thinking - there are breeders out there that while money is a motivating force, they have a passion for what they do and provide quality animals and service. Sure, there absolutely are scumbags out there that have gotten into the ball market looking for nothing else but a dollar, but whether you like it or not, I promise you that if it weren't for the strong economic demand for ball pythons and ball python mutations, there would NOT be being bred in captivity at the level they are now.

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

And with the comment about a ball to fit everyones bank account. Are you refering to a normal just being the ghetto's version or a poor mans versions? Which then could be a post asked "Does anyone still like normals"?

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You're reading too deeply into that. All I meant was that some people have more disposable income than others, and while $100 for a pastel might be a lot to some, $1000 for an albino isn't a lot for others. That's all.

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Originally Posted by Whodinidunit

Well your analogy is not a very good one. a Ferrari is on a whole other level then any other normal car. From the suspension, to the engine, to the interior, to the handling, to over all performance. unlike that of any other vehicle. To me a morph is just another ball python with a real cool paint job. Is it any better then a normal? No, its going to act and live the same as any normal,. so for just a different coat of paint it's hundreds extra? It ridiculous.

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This sounds like you want a morph but can't bring yourself to pay more than the normal price for them. Look at it this way.
Yea but you can get a $99.00 paint job at the local chop shop or you can get a 5000.00 paint job at the House of Kolor. Same car different paint job. Looks different, stands out yea it same drives the same but you can't buy a car with a house of Color Kolor spray job for the same price as a local spray job now can you. It has to do with the amount of work required to achieve that paint job that makes it special. Same with morphs yea its just a ball python with a different paint job but its a paint job that took years to achieve.

If you don't like morphs because they cost to much. Thats cool 100% totally understand. But I don't see the point in complaining cause some people don't have a problem paying hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands for a morph.