Help! Burn or Scale Rot?

Pefectly said Franky!

Taaadaaaa, I think your on to something here. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Hmmm let's just look at this step by step....

You leave your parent's home, not your home, their home. You leave a living creature behind that you know up front neither of them is equipped to handle nor has a wish to handle. So how was your snake's enclosure cleaned regularily? A person afraid of snakes is highly unlikely to do a proper cleaning, that's just common sense. So in effect you left this snake to possibly lay about in it's own feces or urine with people unskilled in it's care? Do I have the picture thus far?

Now at some point you notice your snake requires some sort of medical or at least expert intervention. You know an experienced snakekeeper/breeder, one in fact that gave or sold you this snake in the first place. You make the choice due to a lack of time to again leave this snake in a less than good situation with full knowledge that a skin condition (be that a burn or the beginnings of belly rot) is brewing. You make no plan, no suggestion to your mother to contact this friend, no attempt to contact him long distance and have him check on the wellbeing of this snake. Am I on track still?

Now your mother, being as we mothers are, did probably panic because you'd have likely had sixty fits if your snake died in her care and rushed it to the vet (which was the best option as she had no other recourse, you having basically dumped the situation in her lap and took off back to school). For this you lecture her and then bad mouth her on a public forum? Hmmmm....you should be rather glad you are NOT one of my four children. I would hope you will be compensating your parents for the funds spent on your behalf for your animal.

So.....you obviously had access to someone you respect who you say knows snakes....was there no thought about boarding this snake with your friend while you attended school? Did you think the snake could simply lay about and wait for your attention to it and it's enclosure?

Lastly, as a pre-med student you are studying nothing related to snake health and wellbeing. Your studies are not pre-vet nor vet so you are unqualified to make medical decisions regarding the need for medical care or use of antibiotics for a snake. Medical doctors do not see snakes....vets do not see humans....pretty clear cut isn't it.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Hmmm let's just look at this step by step....

You leave your parent's home, not your home, their home. You leave a living creature behind that you know up front neither of them is equipped to handle nor has a wish to handle. So how was your snake's enclosure cleaned regularily? A person afraid of snakes is highly unlikely to do a proper cleaning, that's just common sense. So in effect you left this snake to possibly lay about in it's own feces or urine with people unskilled in it's care? Do I have the picture thus far?

Now at some point you notice your snake requires some sort of medical or at least expert intervention. You know an experienced snakekeeper/breeder, one in fact that gave or sold you this snake in the first place. You make the choice due to a lack of time to again leave this snake in a less than good situation with full knowledge that a skin condition (be that a burn or the beginnings of belly rot) is brewing. You make no plan, no suggestion to your mother to contact this friend, no attempt to contact him long distance and have him check on the wellbeing of this snake. Am I on track still?

Now your mother, being as we mothers are, did probably panic because you'd have likely had sixty fits if your snake died in her care and rushed it to the vet (which was the best option as she had no other recourse, you having basically dumped the situation in her lap and took off back to school). For this you lecture her and then bad mouth her on a public forum? Hmmmm....you should be rather glad you are NOT one of my four children. I would hope you will be compensating your parents for the funds spent on your behalf for your animal.

So.....you obviously had access to someone you respect who you say knows snakes....was there no thought about boarding this snake with your friend while you attended school? Did you think the snake could simply lay about and wait for your attention to it and it's enclosure?

Lastly, as a pre-med student you are studying nothing related to snake health and wellbeing. Your studies are not pre-vet nor vet so you are unqualified to make medical decisions regarding the need for medical care or use of antibiotics for a snake. Medical doctors do not see snakes....vets do not see humans....pretty clear cut isn't it.

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Yup, that about sums it up! :rockon:

"Birthday:
August 16, 1987"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've just turned 20, and already 2 years pre-med? Hmm.... That doesn't mean you have anything besides some ground work in chemistry and physiology. Actually here : http://www.bestpremed.com/preMDreq.php#requirements:
The "pre-med" classes required by virtually all schools in the US are as follows:

* A year of Freshman Chemistry along with the appropriate laboratory courses
* A year of Organic Chemistry along with laboratory courses
* A year of Biology along with laboratory courses
* A year of Physics along with laboratory courses
* A year of English
* A year of Calculus or other advanced math classes, including Statistics
I don't see anything there even comparable to being in clinicals, or medical diagnosing at all.

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Thank you for summing up exactly what I was feeling. After I had posted initially in this thread and saw her response to someone else (completely ignoring what I had said, as well)--I decided I was SO done with attempting to say anything to her, as she evidently has no actual interest in anything anyone here has to say.

So, thank you, Jo. :hug:

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Hmmm let's just look at this step by step....

You leave your parent's home, not your home, their home. You leave a living creature behind that you know up front neither of them is equipped to handle nor has a wish to handle. So how was your snake's enclosure cleaned regularily? A person afraid of snakes is highly unlikely to do a proper cleaning, that's just common sense. So in effect you left this snake to possibly lay about in it's own feces or urine with people unskilled in it's care? Do I have the picture thus far?

Now at some point you notice your snake requires some sort of medical or at least expert intervention. You know an experienced snakekeeper/breeder, one in fact that gave or sold you this snake in the first place. You make the choice due to a lack of time to again leave this snake in a less than good situation with full knowledge that a skin condition (be that a burn or the beginnings of belly rot) is brewing. You make no plan, no suggestion to your mother to contact this friend, no attempt to contact him long distance and have him check on the wellbeing of this snake. Am I on track still?

Now your mother, being as we mothers are, did probably panic because you'd have likely had sixty fits if your snake died in her care and rushed it to the vet (which was the best option as she had no other recourse, you having basically dumped the situation in her lap and took off back to school). For this you lecture her and then bad mouth her on a public forum? Hmmmm....you should be rather glad you are NOT one of my four children. I would hope you will be compensating your parents for the funds spent on your behalf for your animal.

So.....you obviously had access to someone you respect who you say knows snakes....was there no thought about boarding this snake with your friend while you attended school? Did you think the snake could simply lay about and wait for your attention to it and it's enclosure?

Lastly, as a pre-med student you are studying nothing related to snake health and wellbeing. Your studies are not pre-vet nor vet so you are unqualified to make medical decisions regarding the need for medical care or use of antibiotics for a snake. Medical doctors do not see snakes....vets do not see humans....pretty clear cut isn't it.

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Sorry I didn't reply sooner, or to anybody else that has responded to me. I don't live on this forum.

Yes, Franky, I left my parents home. I didn't take my ball python because they didn't want me to, since it's against the apartment's rules. I could have, but they would worry, and would have been very mad.

As far as cage cleaning goes, I've been to pet shops where it looks as if they clean the cage once a year, but the snakes look as if they were maintained by an enthusiast. If the snake chooses to lay around in its own feces, so be it, they should have the IQ to go in a corner, where they do not roam.

I didn't call my friend nor the reptile man I know, due to lack of time, your correct. However, I left my Mom the address of the reptile man I know, and I told her if the snake looks like she's having trouble moving or whatever, to take her down. She's never been to this pet store where he's at, and everytime I asked her if she wanted to go with me there, she's refused, because I told her it's quite smelly, and it looks like they do not clean the cages regularly. So, Franky, you're not quite on track so far.

If the snake would've died in her care, I wouldn't have had a fit. I would've said, well, you didn't let me take her with me, and this is what happened. Taking the snake to the vet was NOT the best option, as she DID have a recourse. I dumped the situation in her lap, because once again, told her, I think it's time I take the snake. She said no again. I'm not bad mouthing her on this forum...I merely stated how she took the snake to the vet and shouldn't have. And for the funds? Are you out of your mind? Of course I'm not going to pay that back. If my Mom would've told me before hand that she was taking the snake to the vet, and I agreed that was the right choice, yes, I would've paid for it.

No, I would not board the snake with someone else. What would the point be? I may of well the sell the snake. I live in an apartment, and am almost certain am going to be living here year round, taking summer courses as well, so either I have a snake here, or at home, or not one at all. I live a few hours from home, so if the cage did get pretty messy, I could come home every other week...but I was working on getting my friend down the street to clean the cage, but as of this weekend, he wasn't allowed...he doesn't know much about snakes, but owns a bearded dragon and knows how to clean the cage...I was hoping on this, but like I said, just found he couldn't because his parents didn't want him handling a snake.

As a Pre-Med student, I'm essentially studying life, the human anatomy, etc. and you'd be surprised how similar the various forms of life are. You can run out of differences far too easily before you start listing all the similarities different organisms and creatures have in common.

Since it seems like you went out of your way to make an attack, I'd like to do the same. I don't know how much you weigh, but for your own good, if your talking about health conditions here, you should apply them to your own life. Exercise, please. You make the uneducated assumption that Pre Med has nothing to do with snake health and well-being. May I ask, how far did YOU go in school? Hopefully you received a high school diploma. Exactly what do you do for a living?

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to beachvibesbyeff again.

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Somedays this message seems horribly inappropriate.


dr del

PLEASE, If the snake survives sell it or give it to a loving home ASAP as you have no place owning or caring for an animal that requires special attention. "If the snake chooses to lay in its own feses so be it", and "they should have the IQ to go in a corner" WOW! These are just two examples to illistrate my point. I hope this isnt the attitude of our future medical profesionals or we will all die young!!!!! :mad: :mad:

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Originally Posted by beachvibesbyeff

My mother DID make a mistake...

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Obviously, although we would probably disagree on the mistake. :rolleyes:

Beach,

You are on a forum filled with people that love their snakes like a family member. You obviously have absolutely no business what so ever owning that snake and the best thing you could do for it is to find it a good home. You can't potty train a BP and I find your above comments on the snake laying in it's own feces as completely ignorant. YOU are the one that should have the brains to know what the snake needs to care for it. You are doing nothing to help the situation and I feel sorry that snake had to be bound to you as it's owner as it could have made a wonderful pet to someone else who genuinely wanted to care and bond with the snake.

YOu are ignorant, that's not attacking you, thats the opinion anybody here would form after reading your posts. I also hope that you are banned from this forum. You were warned earlier in the thread to not personally attack other forum members but you have anyway. You may not like what people have said here but to turn around and ask what a person weighs and they should go exercise is just childish and has no place here.

Good luck with your snake.