prices at daytona.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Agreed.

My point is that it seems that as the quantity of Breeders/animals produced goes up the prices seem to be falling along with the quality of animal produced. Or am I just imagining things.

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My guess is that would just depend on where you are looking. I mean....look at pastels and how brown they would get as they matured a few years ago...almost to the point where you couldn't tell an adult pastel from a normal. But look at a recent thread here with lots of different folks posting pictures of screaming beautiful adult pastels.

I imagine there are plenty of folks still breeding and selling "ordinary" versions of pastels or whatnot....and maybe even some less-than-experienced breeders doing more harm than good by inbreeding known spinners or kinked siblings or whatever. If those "great deals" are where you set your sights, then it may seem like the morph market is going downhill.

But overall...I'd say that the quality of morphs is getting stronger.

I also think that morphs are getting better... I mean how many morphs are out there that you cant really even get your hands on unless you make em yourself?? There are a lot of morphs out there for sale and obv with the more people breeding them the less you can sell them for... I think that there is a pretty solid market out there for BP's you just need to separate yourself from the others... two easy ways to do this... drop the price or produce quality snakes... sad to say alot of small breeders who are just looking for a quick buck and dont really care about the market kill prices when they drop their price... not good

I think what also contributes to the decline is prices is simply the multitude of morphs that are available. In any market where there are very close substitutes for a specific product, it generally keeps the higher priced items from staying that way for long.

*GASP* oh no guys... I'm going to crash the bp market because of life issues at the moment that's forcing me to sell off most of my snakes.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

If people want to get out of the snake world, let them. In the end it will be the one's who are truly passionate in what they do.

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just cuerious why you preach one thing and you are running out the back door and price droping like crazy on the other. now if there is a real life emergency i understand but it seems like you are just getting out of balls

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UGH!
Of course assuming without knowing jack about me or what's been going down in my life. Why don't you go jump on someone else who is actually "price dropping like crazy". Maybe start by questioning "your friend(s)" who you like so much and kiss up to before questioning others.

Also if anyone is wondering, no I'm not "running out the back door". Also no I'm not a hypocrite, nor am I completely getting out of BP's. God forbid something comes down and you have to sell off most of your snake collection asap. :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Also if anyone is wondering, no I'm not "running out the back door". Also no I'm not a hypocrite, nor am I completely getting out of BP's. God forbid something comes down and you have to sell off most of your snake collection asap. :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Allison, I'm sure that I speak for others when I say that your behavior on this board and others does not even closely resemble the way Matt tried to portray you. Don't let the words of one loud-mouth on the internet get under your skin. I hope everything works out for the best for you and your collection.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Allison, I'm sure that I speak for others when I say that your behavior on this board and others does not even closely resemble the way Matt tried to portray you. Don't let the words of one loud-mouth on the internet get under your skin. I hope everything works out for the best for you and your collection.

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ditto that.

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i am truley sorry for you personal problems. all i was saying was you were on here talking about people selling animals to cheap. when on another fourm you have animals for sale then proceded to drop the price and then said make offer. most people that are getting out are in the same boat as you but most for different reasons. most of the people bailing on the ball market are getting out whial they can make .50 on the dollor.


there have ben some valid points made on this thred.

no matter what prices drop to as long as you are produceing animals you cant lose money. sure it may take 1 2 3 years to make it back but in the end it is almost hard not to make some kind of prophit

also the statement of prices are falling because there are so many morphs. i agree with this. when there are more morphs than you can count some will suffer.

quality over quanity. quanity animals will aloways sell. quanity animals will not. due to the fact that there are a lot of breeders out there that are not selling 10,000 snakes any more most are produceing 10 1,000$ snakes and evantually there is going to be tons and i mean tons of morphs out there that look muddy dull and some that look like nice normals. so end the end as long as good breeders strive to produce quality animals they will be able to stay in bisnuess a long time.

There have been many great points made through out this thread but I would like to add my two cents in here. I've yet to breed but I plan on making this hobby a part of my life for a very long time; with that said I would love to be able to re-invest any profits made back into my hobby. I've yet to buy a snake from a big breeder but the smaller people I've supported have yet to let me down in my expectations. When male pastels were at $350 I payed $500 for mine from a smaller breeder, sure I could have saved a good deal of money but looking at Lustro now I would never compromise the quality of animal for a price drop.

When I breed I plan on making my own prices for what I feel my snakes are worth. I'm not going to care what other peoples prices are at the moment. Sure they may factor into my equation but in the end I plan on having the means to keep all my hatchlings. Eventually someone will buy my snake for what I feel it is worth, because they too will see the worth. I don't want my snakes sold to people who are just looking for a bargain, I want people who care for their snakes to purchase from me. My reason being that I know my animals are still treated with the dedication and care that I have vested into them.

I love a good deal like the next guy but passion and quality come before money in my book.

I'm quite sure there is plenty any of us can find in this thread that we disagree with....maybe even strongly disagree. But personal attacks are not welcomed and will not be tolerated. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

i am truley sorry for you personal problems. all i was saying was you were on here talking about people selling animals to cheap. when on another fourm you have animals for sale then proceded to drop the price and then said make offer. most people that are getting out are in the same boat as you but most for different reasons. most of the people bailing on the ball market are getting out whial they can make .50 on the dollor.


there have ben some valid points made on this thred.

no matter what prices drop to as long as you are produceing animals you cant lose money. sure it may take 1 2 3 years to make it back but in the end it is almost hard not to make some kind of prophit

also the statement of prices are falling because there are so many morphs. i agree with this. when there are more morphs than you can count some will suffer.

quality over quanity. quanity animals will aloways sell. quanity animals will not. due to the fact that there are a lot of breeders out there that are not selling 10,000 snakes any more most are produceing 10 1,000$ snakes and evantually there is going to be tons and i mean tons of morphs out there that look muddy dull and some that look like nice normals. so end the end as long as good breeders strive to produce quality animals they will be able to stay in bisnuess a long time.

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I am sure what Matt meant to say was:

I am truly sorry for your personal problems. All I was saying was that you were on here talking about people selling animals to cheap. When on another forum you have animals for sale then proceeded to drop the price and then said make offer. Most people that are getting out are in the same boat as you but most for different reasons. Most of the people bailing on the ball market are getting out while they can make .50 on the dollar.


There have been some valid points made on this thread.

No matter what prices drop to, as long as you are producing animals, you cant lose money. Sure it may take 1, 2, 3 years to make it back, but in the end it is almost hard not to make some kind of profit.

Also the statement of prices are falling because there are so many morphs. I agree with this. When there are more morphs than you can count some will suffer.

Quality over quantity. [Note: Here he used "quality" over "quanity"--I assume he meant "quantity" so I corrected it--however, this next portion he uses the word "quanity" twice--and I'm unsure if he means "quality" or "quantity", so I'll avoid editing ;)] Quanity animals will always sell. Quanity animals will not. Due to the fact that there are a lot of breeders out there that are not selling 10,000 snakes any more. Most are producing 10 1,000$ snakes and eventually there are going to be tons, and I mean tons of morphs out there that look muddy, dull, and some that look like nice normals. So in the end as long as good breeders strive to produce quality animals they will be able to stay in business a long time.