Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
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Originally Posted by elevatethis
Not to start a hybrid discussion, but my personal feelings go something like this. When thinking about a hybrid project, I'd ask myself a few questions;
Will the resulting offspring be healthy?
If they have major deformities, will their quality of life be affected?
What extra care would be required if they do, in fact, require it as a result of the hybridization?
How does the cross affect its captive care requirements? Will I have the resources to identify and meet these needs?
For me, there's too many questions that I'd want answered before going about the project - I don't think its all that humane to stick two different species together, breed them, and hope for the best. Not my cup of tea.
But back on topic, congrats on successfully producing the cross and I hope the babies stay healthy and live long, happy lives.
Not to start an argument or anything, but aren't those almost the exact same questions you have to ask yourself when breeding pure species as well?
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles
Smilin-buddha breeds his ball python and carpet python to see if it's possible and to make some quick cash, and he sells them honestly as what they are.. a hybrid.
Now, this is my opinion. We are all entitled an opinion. Keep in mind, I am not for or against hybrids so please do not flood me with negative feedback merely because you may not agree with my statements. If you do not agree, please 'discuss it' since that is the reason for this forum.
Rick
Something I guess that strikes me as wrong in this is the term "QUICK CASH". I started with a Irian Jaya four years ago. I raised that snake in the best possible conditions. I did not power feed her to shorten the time and risk her health or shorten her life. I had this planned out for years. I tried last year and lost all ten hatchlings at the last moment full term in the egg. I decided to try it again this year. I planned all year what I was going to do. I fed her so she would be ready I fed the male enough so he was healthy but not fat. I bred the snakes. I checked all the eggs and watched over them like a mother hen. Just like you would do for any snake. I am sure in that time I could have bought a Male albino bred him to a bunch of import females and raised those hets up. Than bred all the hets back to the father and made much more cash.
I appreciate your opinions. But we as an industry have to do what is best for the snakes and ourselves. I could lie about the fact that this snake or that is het. You plan that the animal is het and than find out it is just a normal. Same amount of effort and no results. I could chip them and be as careful as possible. But if a poor business man wants to make money they will do it with whatever they can not just hybrids.
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
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Originally Posted by smilin-buddha
Something I guess that strikes me as wrong in this is the term "QUICK CASH". I started with a Irian Jaya four years ago. I raised that snake in the best possible conditions. I did not power feed her to shorten the time and risk her health or shorten her life. I had this planned out for years. I tried last year and lost all ten hatchlings at the last moment full term in the egg. I decided to try it again this year. I planned all year what I was going to do. I fed her so she would be ready I fed the male enough so he was healthy but not fat. I bred the snakes. I checked all the eggs and watched over them like a mother hen. Just like you would do for any snake. I am sure in that time I could have bought a Male albino bred him to a bunch of import females and raised those hets up. Than bred all the hets back to the father and made much more cash.
I appreciate your opinions. But we as an industry have to do what is best for the snakes and ourselves. I could lie about the fact that this snake or that is het. You plan that the animal is het and than find out it is just a normal. Same amount of effort and no results. I could chip them and be as careful as possible. But if a poor business man wants to make money they will do it with whatever they can not just hybrids.
My first thought is why would you do it for money? who knows if there is even a market for them? I would love to know how they do. I wouldn't do it cuz I wouldn't want to deal with an unhealthy or unpredictable snakes, but they are your snakes to do what you wish, as long as you are a responsible snake owner i don't see the problem. best of luck with them and keep us updated. Congrats with the new babies! :sunny:
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
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Originally Posted by smilin-buddha
Something I guess that strikes me as wrong in this is the term "QUICK CASH".
That wasn't exactly intended as a personal attack, but it was my opinion. I will however respond to your statement.. Read below...
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I planned all year what I was going to do.
A year is required as a bare minimum to cycle, bred, incubate and hatch a ball python or carpet python. You can do it no quicker unless you buy pre-cycled snakes.
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I am sure in that time I could have bought a Male albino bred him to a bunch of import females and raised those hets up. Than bred all the hets back to the father and made much more cash.
I am sure that "in that time" you decided and planned to breed your carpet to your ball python (1 year) that you could not buy an adult male albino that was cycled and breed him to a several imported females (who generally don't breed until the have been cycled for a couple seasons) and then wait a few years for the female hets to grow up to breeding size and then cycle/breed them. I am also sure the initial investment would have been more..
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I appreciate your opinions, BUT..
My opinion of 'quick cash' was that you have a carpet python worth a few hundred and a ball python worth as much, and then you breed them with one years planning and try to sell the hybrid hatchlings for a few grand instead of a few hundred... but that is just my opinion.
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But we as an industry have to do what is best for the snakes and ourselves.
We as an industry need to do what is best for the snakes... I agree, but I don't see how breeding a hybrid and asking a huge price is what is best for the snakes.. I do see how that is best for yourself.
Again, my reply was not intended as a personal attack. I do not know you, so I have no reason to personally attack you. I just called it as I saw it. Let's not take this into that direction.
Rick
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
I respect your choice not to like them and your opinion. I especially like your work with Tegus. Sometimes things said just strike people wrong. If you are going to Daytona drop by see the snakes I will buy you a beer and we can meet. I am not in this for the money just my love of the animals. And I bred them to try something different. I hadn't posted here or on several other forums due to the backlash I thought there would be.
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
The snakes are interesting and I have no issues with hybrids, just what can happen down the road. If every breeder microchipped hybrids as you stated, I would think less people would have an issue with them.
I do plan on being at Daytona this season and I may look you up and take you up on that offer. Good luck with the carpet/balls.
Rick
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
You are on I will be in the forties. I am next to Doug Beard and sharing a table with Jerry Conway and Tom Keogan. You are welcome. I will also have a few pastels on display. Todd
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles
If every breeder microchipped hybrids as you stated, I would think less people would have an issue with them.
Personally, I think a better solution would be a national registry for balls. I really don't understand why one doesn't already exist.
Re: IJ Carpet Python X Ball Python!
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Originally Posted by SarahMB
Personally, I think a better solution would be a national registry for balls. I really don't understand why one doesn't already exist.
this would also be great for the genetic health of ball pythons in general. Like a stud book, but not as rigorous.
