PETA members "get it"

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Originally Posted by Shelby

On the note of race horses.. I own a former race horse. He is an old boy, and he's very healthy. His legs are not fragile.. I assure you.

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I too have to agree. I use to work with them and with them after they were sold because they didn't win or whatever other reason(s). Like I said before - those people normally take good care of those horses. Those horses are strong bodied!!! Also all the formal race horses I worked with 99% of them didn't have any problems. Yes once in a while we would get a horse that had a lame-ness issue or had a formal fracture - but that didn't stop them from being great retired race horses or becomeing peoples pets. Also any horse cane come up lame or have a foot problem, etc.

[QUOTE=Mendel's Balls]They would be allowed to breed their animals if it were'nt for the actions of animal terrorists like PETA.

I suppose Im a terrorist now. No such thing as PETA being a terrorist. Dont make me laugh. I thought we're being serious and having a intellect convo here. Heehee Animal rights over animal welfare buddy :)
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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

I too have to agree. I use to work with them and with them after they were sold because they didn't win or whatever other reason(s). Like I said before - those people normally take good care of those horses. Those horses are strong bodied!!! Also all the formal race horses I worked with 99% of them didn't have any problems. Yes once in a while we would get a horse that had a lame-ness issue or had a formal fracture - but that didn't stop them from being great retired race horses or becomeing peoples pets. Also any horse cane come up lame or have a foot problem, etc.

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Just think of all those horses you never heard of in a race. They were probably put down agter they figured the horses were lame. yes many give their horses up to rescues and whatever ...but like any other shelter or rescue.. its becoming over crowded. Not saying people dont take care of their animals. But why race them? I mean if you racing to have fun and not trying to earn money.. not that way that is.. han I think thats ok..



ALSO honestly PETA doesnt force anyone to do anythign. They just wnat to educate people in what they are eating. I mean I NEVER knew peopel were so corrupt to the farm animals. I was taugh differently.. or actually I thought differently. I said to myself " They cant house them in cages, you know how many deaths there would" and thought they free-roamed and were killed humanely. But when I found out other wise. It made me sick. UCK! Eating torture isnt my way of living.

Forgot to ad, many lame horses are bought at auction. And we have 3 major horse slaughter houses sin Texas (I believe 2/3 are being shut down) and we do have horse meat in US. Sick stuff. I believe that another reason why PETA is anti horse races. Lame horses will sometimes go to auctions in alrge numbers... auctions are such horrible things.

When I live in Olympia Washington 11 years ago. We had a halfwolf-husky Hybrid, name Blue. Blue ended up missing and we didnt know where she was for several weeks until.. Some people down there had a thing for abducting pets and skinny them alive, then sending the carcuses to the butchery before they decay and selling them as food. I think that was in the newspaper for Olympia. Our dog Blue was found, dead, but not de-furred there. :( . I believe the same thing Happened in Wenatchee when my moms cat went missing.. people are just plain cruel.. :( (Dont ask me why I brougth up this.. just thought it fitted to say it)

Your post about how they kill cattle is not correct. I've seen it up close and personal, and they do not suffer. They are stunned by using a captive bolt to the center of their skull, this then either puts them in a comatose state or they are knocked very unconcious. They are then hoisted by their rear fetlocks, their throat is slit(while their heart is still beating so the blood doesn't pool in the meat) and they die quickly.

It's really not as horrific as you're making it out to be. They are not aware of anything at all after they are stunned.

Laboratories also do not get their dogs from shelters. They get their dogs(usually Beagles) from breeders that produce at a fast rate. These dogs are well cared for and are by no means abused(I've been in the facilities..).

I, myself, cannot support no-kill shelters. They are not helping the cause, and the dogs that they "care" for are suffering psycologically because of it. One no-kill shelter in my area has had one dog in their care for 6-7 years. This dog lives in a kennel, is fed too much, doesn't get any exercise or other canine stimulation and IMO is not a happy, balanced dog. I would trust a dog at a shelter much further than this dog at the no-kill shelter.

But anyway

/steps off soapbox

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ALSO honestly PETA doesnt force anyone to do anythign. They just wnat to educate people in what they are eating. I mean I NEVER knew peopel were so corrupt to the farm animals. I was taugh differently.. or actually I thought differently. I said to myself " They cant house them in cages, you know how many deaths there would" and thought they free-roamed and were killed humanely. But when I found out other wise. It made me sick. UCK! Eating torture isnt my way of living.

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which is why buying organic free range meat is the way to go, if you want to eat meat and choose not to support the mainstream meat industry.

c&t honestly... not every farm is like that... so please... don't make generalizations. we buy meat from my hubby's boss... his farm is wonderful. everyone is well fed and has lots of space to roam. the chickens are free range and seem, by my standards, live a great life.

PETA does not believe in pet ownership. I guess they mean it would be better to kill every cat and dog out there. Plus the cows. And horses.. at least most of the horses.. since we can't keep them in captivity to feed them. All the reptiles and exotics in zoos are to be killed so they don't suffer, and there goes all the endangered species in captive breeding programs too. Sorry, can't exploit them.
And how is it okay to race horses... as long as you don't make money? Somehow making money makes it evil? So... I can KEEP my ball python, but not make any money off it. That makes NO sense whatsoever.
I've been IN slaughterhouses. I can tell you, your description is highly inaccurate. The post describing it is correct. I saw no inhumane treatment of the cows being slaughtered. I know you probaly got YOUR idea of it from a PETA produced video. Some are false, some are delibritely made to be the most sensational possible.
I can't see how you say you support PETA, but keep reptiles, and probaly other pets as well.
I'll point out that the high number of pets in shelters has nothing to do with the FACT that PETA was taking animals, saying they would adopt them out, then killing them before they even left the county. That's out and out lying. They take in large numbers, adopt out almost none.
I repeat, PETA says NO animals in captivity, NO pets, NO nothing. Dogs do not belong in the wild, nor do cats. They are domestic. PETA itself has bragged of releasing mink and other animals, and NEVER took them for rehab. They have released dogs from a dog show, and stated that they were fine with the fact that several ran RIGHT into the highway next to the place and were hit, maimed and killed.
I support anyone that would like to be vegetarian, or vegan, or not keep pets, or never attend a zoo. But when people start to vandalize, lie and steal then they are wrong.
I'm really surprised that this thread didn't get nasty, and want to extend KUDOS to all involved, especially Chester and Teegan.
WOlfy

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

PETA does not believe in pet ownership. I guess they mean it would be better to kill every cat and dog out there. Plus the cows. And horses.. at least most of the horses.. since we can't keep them in captivity to feed them. All the reptiles and exotics in zoos are to be killed so they don't suffer, and there goes all the endangered species in captive breeding programs too. Sorry, can't exploit them.
And how is it okay to race horses... as long as you don't make money? Somehow making money makes it evil? So... I can KEEP my ball python, but not make any money off it. That makes NO sense whatsoever.
I've been IN slaughterhouses. I can tell you, your description is highly inaccurate. The post describing it is correct. I saw no inhumane treatment of the cows being slaughtered. I know you probaly got YOUR idea of it from a PETA produced video. Some are false, some are delibritely made to be the most sensational possible.
I can't see how you say you support PETA, but keep reptiles, and probaly other pets as well.
I'll point out that the high number of pets in shelters has nothing to do with the FACT that PETA was taking animals, saying they would adopt them out, then killing them before they even left the county. That's out and out lying. They take in large numbers, adopt out almost none.
I repeat, PETA says NO animals in captivity, NO pets, NO nothing. Dogs do not belong in the wild, nor do cats. They are domestic. PETA itself has bragged of releasing mink and other animals, and NEVER took them for rehab. They have released dogs from a dog show, and stated that they were fine with the fact that several ran RIGHT into the highway next to the place and were hit, maimed and killed.
I support anyone that would like to be vegetarian, or vegan, or not keep pets, or never attend a zoo. But when people start to vandalize, lie and steal then they are wrong.
I'm really surprised that this thread didn't get nasty, and want to extend KUDOS to all involved, especially Chester and Teegan.
WOlfy

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Directly from the PETA site:

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free." What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren't home) from pounds or shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.

Wolfy, seems to me that you have an agenda and a misguided one at that. I have seen the video of slaughterhouse workers twisting the heads off of live chickens. I have seen cows hung upside down, had their throats slit and allowed to die a slow painful death. That is fact, not fictional or sensationalism as you claim. I have seen mink killed through insertion of electric rods. I disagree with the raising of animals so some celebrity can wear a stole to a red carpet event or some old biddy can look more glamourous when she goes to play Pinochle with her friends. I believe all animals should be treated humanely, even the ones bred for our consumption or for the consumption of our pets. I eat meat but respect people that choose to be vegetarians (I have 3 in my family). PETA takes a hardline stance and that is their option. They also do a lot of good. By making people aware of cruelty in animal testing, they have helped to force some change in that area (although not nearly enough). I have the intelligence to see that not EVERYTHING that they stand for coincides with what I believe in, but I don't live in a world of black and white. The world is full of many shades of grey.

I invite you to read a few quotes from PeTA people.. quite appaling if you ask me.

http://fins.actwin.com/nanf/month.200004/msg00047.html

And their goal IS to force this stuff on everyone.. they're just not passively living their vegan lives, they want everyone to be the same.

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I, myself, cannot support no-kill shelters. They are not helping the cause, and the dogs that they "care" for are suffering psycologically because of it. One no-kill shelter in my area has had one dog in their care for 6-7 years. This dog lives in a kennel, is fed too much, doesn't get any exercise or other canine stimulation and IMO is not a happy, balanced dog. I would trust a dog at a shelter much further than this dog at the no-kill shelter.

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I would not base your opinion on no-kill shelters on that one shelter. The no-kill rescue/shelter here take wonderful care of thier dogs. There are a few dogs there that are not 'happy' as you might put it, but that is because they came from a far worse situation. All the dogs are fed the right amount of food. (I have not seen a single overweight dog in that building) The dogs are socialized and taught basic obediance. Most of the dogs that have been there for a while are well behaved dogs that are generally happy, except for the fact they need a loving home.

Well, since I'm the one who has to euthanize that whole litter of 6-8 puppies because ONE unbalanced, aggressive, overweight, 8 year old(an estimate) dog is taking up room that those puppies could be in, then that is why I don't support them.

Our Humane Society here takes better care of the dogs than that no-kill shelter ever will. They at least don't put potentially dangerous dogs out into society.