anyone have a childrens python?

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Originally Posted by uro1001

lol does this mean every python species in africa under 10 foot is considered an african dwarf? maybe i should labe a ball python as an african dwarf or maybe i could label an angolian as an african dwarf or is that considered false advertising? dont ask me because im not the one that classifies every antaresia species as "australian dwarfs". also spotted pythons can grow a good 2 feet more than a childrens python so dont label them as the "same" species


ps:cris78 this pair(clearly not ready to breed) can breed (when ready) and produce hybrids but it is much more ethical to buy pure childrens and breed them.
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Thanks Jeff..im not taking this pair :)

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Originally Posted by SPJ

It's not reduntant. Why are you misrepresenting the animals? They are crosses and should be labeled as crosses. Do not try to sell them as something they are not.

Not only that but they are not breeding size, and one looks very thin.
IMO, you misrepresented these animals and should own up to it.

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Again, since you did not read or comprehend my post. I sold them as Australian Dwarf Pythons. There are three snakes that fall within that category, as well as hybrids of any of these snakes.

These three species were concidered the same species until 1991, so ANY of those three species in the pet trade at that time were called Children's Pythons and they were all interbred as if they were the same species, because technically there were at that time. So unless your CB Children's or Spotted were imported after 1991, which is unlikely, you have no idea what "pure" is. In the pet trade the name 'children's python' is still commonly used for any of the three Australian Dwarf Pythons. Common names are unregulated. If they are used commonly within the pet trade, that is a valid common name.

This is fact as well as common sense.

I did not offer these for trade as spotted, I did not offer these as childrens. I traded them as Australian Dwarf Pythons because quite honestly, as stated above.. I have no idea which each is or what percentage they may be if they are hybrids. Do you? Or do you just assume to know? I did not want to 'assume' so I chose the safe route and offered them under the group of three species to which they belong.

The only mention of the name 'children's' was when asked if these could also be called children's while cris was looking for care information while trying to learn about them in the 24 hours prior to her saying she wanted them.

My reputation speaks for itself. The fact that I made the deal right by cris is a testament to that. I do not intentionally mislead people. If you want to make assumptions, by all means, feel free..

Rick Sisco

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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles

Again, since you did not read or comprehend my post. I sold them as Australian Dwarf Pythons. There are three snakes that fall within that category, as well as hybrids of any of these snakes.

These three species were concidered the same species until 1991, so ANY of those three species in the pet trade at that time were called Children's Pythons and they were all interbred as if they were the same species, because technically there were at that time. So unless your CB Children's or Spotted were imported after 1991, which is unlikely, you have no idea what "pure" is. In the pet trade the name 'children's python' is still commonly used for any of the three Australian Dwarf Pythons. Common names are unregulated. If they are used commonly within the pet trade, that is a valid common name.

This is fact as well as common sense.

I did not offer these for trade as spotted, I did not offer these as childrens. I traded them as Australian Dwarf Pythons because quite honestly, as stated above.. I have no idea which each is or what percentage they may be if they are hybrids. Do you? Or do you just assume to know? I did not want to 'assume' so I chose the safe route and offered them under the group of three species to which they belong.

The only mention of the name 'children's' was when asked if these could also be called children's while cris was looking for care information while trying to learn about them in the 24 hours prior to her saying she wanted them.

My reputation speaks for itself. The fact that I made the deal right by cris is a testament to that. I do not intentionally mislead people. If you want to make assumptions, by all means, feel free..

Rick Sisco

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Im sorry but I did not say are these ALSO called Childrens Pythons, I said these are Childrens pythons?..and you said yes.
If I never asked and u sold them to me as Austrlian Dwarf pythons then that would be fine b/c there are 3 snakes thats fall under that category, but when I asked u if there were Childrens then you should of said they are a cross..and there was no mention about looking for caresheets when I asked u that ques, and I have the e-mail..if that is what u assumed then thats what u thought..I asked u straight up if they were Childrens.

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Originally Posted by uro1001

this pair(clearly not ready to breed) can breed (when ready) and produce hybrids but it is much more ethical to buy pure childrens and breed them.
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Tell me.. where are you getting these pure childrens? Were the imported prior to 1991? How can you know they are pure since back then all three species were bred together because they were technically classified as the same species. Do you mean to tell me when they were all under the same species name no one 'crossed' them?

The whole moral issue of breeding hybrids is basically null and void when dealing with snakes that breed together in the wild. (intergrades) As well as snakes that have been interbred for many, many years before their species were seperated into three different sub-species. Beyond that, it's also more of a moral 'opinion' like abortion versus anti-abortion. In such cases, there are two sides and neither will ever win.

Rick

I read the e-mail and I DID say are these also called Childrens pythons, so I retract that..but it doesnt change the fact that u said yes.and not no they are not Childrens but a cross btwn childrens and spotted

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Originally Posted by cris78

Im sorry but I did not say are these ALSO called Childrens Pythons, I said these are Childrens pythons?..and you said yes.
If I never asked and u sold them to me as Austrlian Dwarf pythons then that would be fine b/c there are 3 snakes thats fall under that category, but when I asked u if there were Childrens then you should of said they are a cross..and there was no mention about looking for caresheets when I asked u that ques, and I have the e-mail..if that is what u assumed then thats what u thought..I asked u straight up if they were Childrens.

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You told me that you knew nothing about Australian Dwarf Pythons and wanted to look them up and think about the offer. Yes, I assumed you were looking up caresheets. I was obviously mistaken to assume that. When asked if they were called children's pythons I stated "yes" because in the pet trade they are still also referred to as children's pythons by many people. The caresheets for childrens work the same. Perhaps breeders are more specific, but the average person is not, nor is the pet trade. It doesn't matter if I like it or not, the pet industry influence what the 'common name' is, as do the millions of people who frequent petstores.

I did not intentionally mislead you, but I did see you were concerned about these being scientifically classified in seperate subspecies and I did immediately work to resolve this issue with you. If I was really trying to rip you off why would I have immediately resolved this? If I was trying to decieve, if I was dishonest I would have just sent you the snakes I promised and said "tough" or if I was really dishonest I could have kept your snakes and money and not even shipped the snakes I promised. Instead I offered three options, one being that I return your two snakes, your money and pay to ship them back out of my pocket. That is not a mark of someone with a dishonest character.

Rick

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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles

You told me that you knew nothing about Australian Dwarf Pythons and wanted to look them up and think about the offer. Yes, I assumed you were looking up caresheets. I was obviously mistaken to assume that. When asked if they were called children's pythons I stated "yes" because in the pet trade they are still also referred to as children's pythons by many people. The caresheets for childrens work the same. Perhaps breeders are more specific, but the average person is not, nor is the pet trade. It doesn't matter if I like it or not, the pet industry influence what the 'common name' is, as do the millions of people who frequent petstores.

I did not intentionally mislead you, but I did see you were concerned about these being scientifically classified in seperate subspecies and I did immediately work to resolve this issue with you. If I was really trying to rip you off why would I have immediately resolved this? If I was trying to decieve, if I was dishonest I would have just sent you the snakes I promised and said "tough" or if I was really dishonest I could have kept your snakes and money and not even shipped the snakes I promised. Instead I offered three options, one being that I return your two snakes, your money and pay to ship them back out of my pocket. That is not a mark of someone with a dishonest character.

Rick

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U only resolved this issue after I posted the pic of my new Breeding pair of Childrens Pythons..which was then brought to my attention that they were not childrens and not of breeding age, in fact that one looked very skinny..if I never posted the pics u would have sent me snakes that i was told to be Childrens Pythons..which would have been dishonest..childrens and spotted have 2 different latin AND common, so how can u say they are the same thing.

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Originally Posted by cris78

I read the e-mail and I DID say are these also called Childrens pythons, so I retract that..but it doesnt change the fact that u said yes.and not no they are not Childrens but a cross btwn childrens and spotted

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Yes, I stated "Yes" to "are these also called children's pythons".

Yes, I could have replied in a different way, but I assumed you were asking if these are also called children's pythons because you were looking up caresheet info. I was NOT misleading you. I was trying to help you find proper care info and there was a misunderstanding. Once I realized there was an issue I resolved it, yet this crap goes on as if I did rip you off.

I guess at this point I have stated my side. My reputation is good and anyone who reads this fully and with an open mind will see there was a misunderstanding and that I resolved it professionally.

I am done in this thread. Please draw whatever conclusion you wish, but keep in mind, anyone reading this can be involved in a misunderstanding on one or both ends. It's just a matter how you handle yourself to resolve it.

Rick

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Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles

Yes, I stated "Yes" to "are these also called children's pythons".

Yes, I could have replied in a different way, but I assumed you were asking if these are also called children's pythons because you were looking up caresheet info. I was NOT misleading you. I was trying to help you find proper care info and there was a misunderstanding. Once I realized there was an issue I resolved it, yet this crap goes on as if I did rip you off.

I guess at this point I have stated my side. My reputation is good and anyone who reads this fully and with an open mind will see there was a misunderstanding and that I resolved it professionally.

I am done in this thread. Please draw whatever conclusion you wish, but keep in mind, anyone reading this can be involved in a misunderstanding on one or both ends. It's just a matter how you handle yourself to resolve it.

Rick

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yes, u could have replied w/ the truth..thats all

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Originally Posted by cris78

U only resolved this issue after I posted the pic of my new Breeding pair of Childrens Pythons..which was then brought to my attention that they were not childrens and not of breeding age, in fact that one looked very skinny..if I never posted the pics u would have sent me snakes that i was told to be Childrens Pythons..which would have been dishonest..childrens and spotted have 2 different latin AND common, so how can u say they are the same thing.

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I am done with the whole dishonest issue, but I will respond to the breeding size. Both spotted and childrens can breed at 2.5 to 3 feet. Both are well fed and cared for and both are larger than they are in that picture. That picture was taken several months ago. I do not have a current picture, because as I told you, they are currently cooling so that they can be bred this coming season. Now it is you making a bad assumption.

Rick