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Originally Posted by joepythons
Adam,wouldn't this be favoring the "pros" over the average breeders? Majority of the people know just looking at the tails is NOT a correct way of sexing a snake.
Well, knowing that there is at least one person out there that is selling an investment animal and made that mistake, how do you know what the "majority of people" do and do not know? I know one thing for sure ... breeders like RDR, NERD, VPI, PKR, etc that have literally built this business have not been doing this for over a decade NOT KNOWING how to sex an animal ... just something to think about next time you see that "hot deal" on the classifieds from someone that you've never heard of before ... sometimes the money you save just isn't worth the problems that could occur.
-adam
Re: Suggestions on how to handle this
SPJ...your deal was done the moment you sent payment and had the snake shipped to your door.
This "breeder" has no legal claim to any additional funds from you.
If you send him any money or correspond with him any further, you're a dummy.
Re: Suggestions on how to handle this
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
Well, knowing that there is at least one person out there that is selling an investment animal and made that mistake, how do you know what the "majority of people" do and do not know? I know one thing for sure ... breeders like RDR, NERD, VPI, PKR, etc that have literally built this business have not been doing this for over a decade NOT KNOWING how to sex an animal ... just something to think about next time you see that "hot deal" on the classifieds from someone that you've never heard of before ... sometimes the money you save just isn't worth the problems that could occur.
-adam
Well maybe this person whom Steve bought the snake from was in the wrong line when they were handing out brains lol.When i read this i just took it as you were favoring those "pro" breeders over anyone else including yourself.Basicly i took it as for instance someone saying don't buy anything from anyone but Adam because he gives you a shirt:P .Everyone makes mistakes and we ALL learn from them.
Re: Suggestions on how to handle this
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Originally Posted by joepythons
Well maybe this person whom Steve bought the snake from was in the wrong line when they were handing out brains lol.When i read this i just took it as you were favoring those "pro" breeders over anyone else including yourself.Basicly i took it as for instance someone saying don't buy anything from anyone but Adam because he gives you a shirt:P .Everyone makes mistakes and we ALL learn from them.
Joe ... What are you talking about? ... I think what I said was pretty clear ... There are tons of advantages of buying from big breeders over little guys, and yes including me. The problems Steve had and is having with this deal are a classic example.
Who said anything about not buying from anyone but me? That's ridiculous. I do just fine with sales ;) ... I don't need to come on here and whore myself out ... I'm comfortable enough with my business and the value that I provide to my customrs to be able to tell people to start with the pros and if things don't work out, look elsewhere.
-adam
Re: Suggestions on how to handle this
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
just something to think about next time you see that "hot deal" on the classifieds from someone that you've never heard of before ... sometimes the money you save just isn't worth the problems that could occur.
-adam
Joe, I think the important part of what Adam is saying is in the quote posted above. There are plenty of trustworthy small breeders, but there are just as many that aren't. If you don't know anything about the breeder you should do your research before hand.
IMO if they sex their snakes by tail length, then they are lucky to even have produced a clutch. ;)
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Originally Posted by Wild Bill
Joe, I think the important part of what Adam is saying is in the quote posted above. There are plenty of trustworthy small breeders, but there are just as many that aren't. If you don't know anything about the breeder you should do your research before hand.
IMO if they sex their snakes by tail length, then they are lucky to even have produced a clutch. ;)
Bill,i understand the concerns about the unknown breeders not being trusting.I just took it as Adam was saying NOT to buy from anyone else but the "pro" breeders,i guess i misread it the way he wrote it.
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Originally Posted by joepythons
I just took it as Adam was saying NOT to buy from anyone else but the "pro" breeders,i guess i misread it the way he wrote it.
I did not saying or type anything even remotely close. People should buy from who they want to buy from. I was just giving my opinion on what I feel is a major differnece between buying from professional ball python breeders and unknown names on classifieds that would have prevented Steves misfortune as described in this thread.
Can we please stick to what is actually being posted and not interpretations based on personal bias? ... I'm not a real big fan of people attempting to put words in my mouth. Thanks. ;) :sweeet:
-adam
Re: Suggestions on how to handle this
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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
I did not saying or type anything even remotely close. People should buy from who they want to buy from. I was just giving my opinion on what I feel is a major differnece between buying from professional ball python breeders and unknown names on classifieds that would have prevented Steves misfortune as described in this thread.
Can we please stick to what is actually being posted and not interpretations based on personal bias? ... I'm not a real big fan of people attempting to put words in my mouth. Thanks. ;) :sweeet:
-adam
Adam no one is attempting to "put words in your mouth",i was just commenting on how i took your comments.I am not the only one that took your words the same as i did either,someone just pmed me and agreed they felt the same as myself.Like you have told myself and others repeatedly when i see something i disagree on i am going to put in my :2cent: .That is all i was doing plain and simple nothing more.
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I too interpreted your words the same as Joe did Adam, in fact I'm probably the PM Joe is speaking of. I don't see anyone putting words in your mouth but sometimes it's helpful to understand how others take what we say so we can clear up any misconceptions.
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Originally Posted by Entropy
I too interpreted your words the same as Joe did Adam, in fact I'm probably the PM Joe is speaking of. I don't see anyone putting words in your mouth but sometimes it's helpful to understand how others take what we say so we can clear up any misconceptions.
I thank you.
