what makes the best supers?

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

i alloways herd form numerious big breeders that the garzinnie (sp) line is the one that makes the best supers. even though there colors of the pastells are a bit darkish. there is also a lot of buzz about problems with the lemmons.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

i read it on a kingsnake fourm once. i will try to find a link. they mentioned kinks or something (like with the different carmel albino lines). all i said was i herd this info/ not that it was fact. so thanks for the neg rep whoever sent it. some people are so shallow.

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LOL. There's a pretty big difference between "a lot of buzz" and "I think I read it on a kingsnake forum one time."

The truth is that we've never experienced kinking in our Lemon Pastel line, nor have we heard of anyone experiencing kinking problems with the Lemon Pastels. We've selectively outbred our Lemon Pastels by crossing them into some of the nicest pattern projects we could come up with, and it's a very strong line that consistently throws some very nice offspring.

I think there are other Pastel lines that make a nicer super pastel if you're after that super faded, purple-y blushed-out look. Super Lemons are extremely high contrast.

Gotta love that rumor mill. :)

K~

thanks for clearing that up. you would know better than anyone. i personally am looking for some nice supers now as well.

theoretically... doesn't that make YOU the rumour mill matt?

yikes! technically it does, but can we not do this, can someone just post a damn pic of a mixed super pastel? or at least not start in this direction? there's kinda been a bunch of bickering lately and uhhhhhh... sooooo...
ball pythons?

pity there's no option for a Pastel ( Graz ) x Bumblebee...that the road I am going next season .. more food for thought...... KILLER BEES and Super Pastels...Morph Gods being kind of course !

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

theoretically... doesn't that make YOU the rumour mill matt?

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I GUESS IT DOES. :taz: :8:

I would say lemon x lemon or graziani x graziani. I love the contrast of lemons and I love the blushing of grazianis.

Have to agree with the last poster... I love them both for different reasons. That said, Graziani supers are probably my favorite (barely...). That might have something to do with the best Super Pastel ever created:

http://www.ballpython.ca/collection/...er_pastel.html

Actually I think the best supers would be produced by the cleanest pastels no matter what line they're from. I think pastels are finally at a point where more and more people are going to be extra selective about the females they breed their pastel males to instead of producing as many as possible. Which, will make cleaner and brighter pastels, which in turn will make cleaner and brighter supers. At least thats what I hope will happen.

A pastel is a pastel. I've seen bad lemons, bad VPIs as well as exceptional of those lines as well.

I would just personally like to choose my pastels off of experience and taste rather than pick a 'line'. Selective breeding based on what you like in the snake is more important then any lineage.