Ethics of Hybrids

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Good thing there's no UV radiation in my home or at my shop. ;)

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I beg to differ. There's got to be some scientific explanation for the antics that take place there.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

I beg to differ. There's got to be some scientific explanation for the antics that take place there.

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It's all the cool morphs ... they're intoxicating! ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

It's the nerve endings that do the work.

If you were missing your toe nails, you'd still be able to walk, you'd just have less to chew on at night while watching American Idol. https://ball-pythons.net/forums/imag...es/biggrin.gif

-adam

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Yeah, just look at boas. None of the pits, but all of the thermosensory capabilities. I would think that the pits themselves provide more surface area for the nerve endings than just a normal scale, but that's just speculation on my part.

-Evan

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

You equated "gross health problems" to the derma ball.

That is my point of disagreement.

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I understood your point of disagreement and I said your right....I mispoke, OK?

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Good thing there's no UV radiation in my home or at my shop. ;)



There have been adult albino ball pythons (as well as other adult mutations) collected from the wild that are now thriving in captivity with no health problems.

There have also been adult scale less rattle snakes found and recorded in the US that were thriving.

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I'm not arguing with you...or at least trying not too...I am well aware of this.....I mention in another thread that there a big group of albinos in a Japanese city.....

There's all kind of things that occur in the wild.....genetic drift, founder effect, etc that make can make a wild gene pool "unpure".....or abberant.

Gene pools in the wild are never really pure and that's a good thing, Variety allows for natural selection.....an organism with the same set of alleles at all loci is one that is likely to go extinct

Even what we view as "disease causing allele" in many ways depends on the context.....

Africian Ancestary gives one a greater chance of carrying the recessive allele for sickle-cell disease. One might wonder why this allele hasnt been eliminated by natural selection? Carriers of the sickle-cell trait have increased resistance to malaria. Homozygotes for the trait exhibit sickle cell, but the allele is maintained in the population because of the selective advantage of the heterozygote. This is example of what is called heterozygote superiority.


So is it fair to call the allele for sickle cell a disease causing allele when it has been maintained by selection for really good reasons?


Like I said it depends on context....captivity, different conditions in the wild etc.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

They are both currently eating live, but since they've been in my care over the past 10 - 12 years, they've both taken F/T as well as P/K ... Doesn't matter to them or to me. ;)

-adam

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Very interesting!

Thanks for relaying your first hand experience.....As they say in Jurrasic Park "life finds a way"!

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

There's all kind of things that occur in the wild.....genetic drift, founder effect, etc that make can make a wild gene pool "unpure".....or abberant.

Gene pools in the wild are never really pure and that's a good thing, Variety allows for natural selection.....an organism with the same set of alleles at all loci is one that is likely to go extinct

Even what we view as "disease causing allele" in many ways depends on the context.....

Africian Ancestary gives one a greater chance of carrying the recessive allele for sickle-cell disease. One might wonder why this allele hasnt been eliminated by natural selection? Carriers of the sickle-cell trait have increased resistance to malaria. Homozygotes for the trait exhibit sickle cell, but the allele is maintained in the population because of the selective advantage of the heterozygote. This is example of what is called heterozygote superiority.


So is it fair to call the allele for sickle cell a disease causing allele when it been maintained by selection for really good reasons?


Like I said it depends on context....captivity, different conditions in the wild etc.

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Holy Tangent Batman! :rolleye2:

Sounds impressive, I'll give ya that. ;) :P

-adam

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

Very interesting!

Thanks for relaying your first hand experience.....As they say in Jurrasic Park "life finds a way"!

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That's why ball pythons don't just hunt by sight or smell or thermal sensory alone. It's a four part system and allows for one or more of the parts to not be functioning and still give the animal a chance at success.

They are truely amazing creatures.

-adam

Mendel...I'm sorry, and I speak for probably everyone else here....but what in the world are you talking about????? :)

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Mendel...I'm sorry, and I speak for probably everyone else here....but what in the world are you talking about????? :)

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He's just doing that thing he does ... LOL ... I like it. :P

-adam

So let me get this straight... the Derma ball has sickle cell anemia? :fishslap: