Ball python spazzing out during the day

Op, I think it's worth mentioning there have been incidents of loving owners literally loving their snake to death because they insisted on treating their ball python like a person and projecting mammal characteristics to them.

I'm reminded of this story a couple years ago;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kaijute...little-jor/amp

I'm afraid you are getting close to doing the same thing if you continue to do what you do. You have to start seeing Crowley for what he actually is, not through the shades of what you want him to be.

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

Op, I think it's worth mentioning there have been incidents of loving owners literally loving their snake to death because they insisted on treating their ball python like a person and projecting mammal characteristics to them.

I'm reminded of this story a couple years ago;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kaijute...little-jor/amp

I'm afraid you are getting close to doing the same thing if you continue to do what you do. You have to start seeing Crowley for what he actually is, not through the shades of what you want him to be.

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Bingo!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

Op, I think it's worth mentioning there have been incidents of loving owners literally loving their snake to death because they insisted on treating their ball python like a person and projecting mammal characteristics to them.

I'm reminded of this story a couple years ago;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kaijute...little-jor/amp

I'm afraid you are getting close to doing the same thing if you continue to do what you do. You have to start seeing Crowley for what he actually is, not through the shades of what you want him to be.

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Just went thru and read that story..... Wth?? That poor snake...... That was all kinds of messed up stuff there!

To the op, there is nothing wrong with the snake. It’s you that needs to change. Plz take our advice. I seriously couldn’t stop thinking about this all night. It’s giving me anxiety and it’s not even my snake!! I feel like this is the wrong kind of pet for u. U seem like u want something to cuddle with and it love u back. With a snake your just going to kill it.

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

Op, I think it's worth mentioning there have been incidents of loving owners literally loving their snake to death because they insisted on treating their ball python like a person and projecting mammal characteristics to them.

I'm reminded of this story a couple years ago;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kaijute...little-jor/amp...

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Not to mention that our mouths are loaded with germs because of all the sugars in our diet, so letting a snake touch a human mouth could share something awful with them.

There really seems to be a emotional/mental issue here and the poor is caught in the middle

This is my last attempt to help. U need to change the carpet out for a better substrate, make sure ur warm side is at 90-91* and on a thermostat, make sure your humidity is around the 50-55* unless he is in blue. Next take out that bed thing and give him two good hides, one in the warm and one on the cool side.

Most important step!! Don’t touch him!! Not even once for a month. There is zero reason to touch him unless it’s a medical matter. Keep his water full and humidity and temps right. In a month try and feed him in his tank. U need to get rid of his second tank and the entire room u have dedicated for him to run around in.

In my option if u can’t do this and do it now then adopt him out. I’m sure someone is close enough to u to take care of him.

If u really care about this animal this needs to happen now!

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Originally Posted by Valyndris

I had put Crowley back in his main enclosure at 9pm when he was done resting in his hide in his room. The bird goes to bed in a separate cage upstairs at 7pm. I went to bed at 10:30pm and Crowley seemed to be doing okay, he had gone in his hide with the bed in it with his neck and tail out. I got up at 2am to check on him and saw him in his bed with the hide sitting horizontally and angled, looking all confused. Poor thing, I necked him, fixed the hide and put him back in. I have been glancing over once in a while, he tried going in the hide and spazzed it off again at 2:20am so I put the 2 brown hides in place of the black plastic ones with the beds. I am currently waiting to see if he goes to sleep in one of those.

If that doesn't work I will put him in his room to see if he can get some sleep there. This is only a temporary solution as I will be moving his enclosure to his room later today as soon as possible, I need 2 guys to lift it as I am just a woman with a currently messed up back. I will probably have to wait till after 4pm to move him when both my husband and my dad are done work as they are probably going to be the ones moving the tank, it's very huge and very heavy. I am currently taking measurements and moving things around in his room to fit his enclosure while I wait to see if he can get some sleep in the brown hide.

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You "necked him? What exactly does this mean? How big is this enclosure that it takes two grown men to move? Sorry but going through this thread there is a LOT going on and something needs to be done quickly or this snake is going to be in bad shape..

I'm not sure if I'm going to make a dent here but I will try... Please, Please take the advice you have been given. You are treating this snake like an elderly man or woman in need of a nursing home.. Back and forth between bedrooms, tanks, bird rooms and lord knows where else.. I am going to put this really simple... Either you change the way you are doing things or you will kill that snake... Yes YOU will kill that snake... He has shown you everything a snake shows people when the aren't happy and you said he hasn't eaten in 3 months now... That is not surprising at all..

As much as you want to believe that this is an animal that shows affection like humans or dogs and cats you are just dead wrong.. I would imagine most experienced people in this group went through anthropomorphic handling tendencies when they first started keeping these type of animals but all of us have learned that what is best for us is most of the time not best for the animal. I would challenge you like others have to leave this snake alone. Stop caring for this snake with your emotions because they are forcing you into a bunch of bad decisions...

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Originally Posted by Moose84

You "necked him? What exactly does this mean? How big is this enclosure that it takes two grown men to move? Sorry but going through this thread there is a LOT going on and something needs to be done quickly or this snake is going to be in bad shape..

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It looks like she has two enclosures she swaps him back and fourth, and a whole room in her house that she lets him “play” in. And she is worried that he wouldn’t go to sleep last night, maybe someone should tell her that they are nocturnal