Re: How many snakes in a cage?
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Originally Posted by Egyptian_Sphynx
just another opinion ...
People say alot of things...some are right and some are wrong....some are just not clear.
I can not argue with that. I have to deal with people everyday that have no idea what they are talking about but think that they are alway right.
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Originally Posted by Egyptian_Sphynx
how experienced is experienced???? id have to think hard about that one.
Good question, but it should not require 'hard' thought. It does not take intense analysis to figure out when someone knows what they are talking about and when someone is just blowing smoke. I have recently started a post to try to get people to explain just how experienced they are. Everyone please feel free to post info about yourself there.
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Originally Posted by Egyptian_Sphynx
not sure of which school you went to but your lucky because the one i went to they just hand you the book and say there you go.
Proud Graduate of Pearl River High School and Current Student at Louisiana Tech University. Yes, I am very lucky with my school experiences and have done very well because of the help and advice of teachers. I would not be working on my masters degree in civil engineering if everyone would have just handed me a book and said 'there you go'. The advice of other people has aided me in getting where I am in life, I hope that everyone else can say the same someday.
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Originally Posted by Egyptian_Sphynx
choose is the operative word. just because one says they are "keepers" doesnt mean that i believe they are "keepers". just a different point of veiw from my direction. bu this is the last i post post for my own minds sake......
True. There are some people out there that claim to be ''keepers'' and don't have the experience to be making certain statements. I mentioned Adam and Kara which are two of the best true "keepers'' out there in my opinion. I have done my research on them both and in my opinion they both have experience levels that are far beyond the majority of people that I talk to. I can not speak for all the other ''keepers out there'', so It always pays off to do some research on who you are talking to.
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Originally Posted by Egyptian_Sphynx
and just for the record, just because one says they have no opinion on the subject it is not advocating ... it is still just an opinion on the subject.
Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I was just stating mine. Thanks for ripping apart my post :)
Re: How many snakes in a cage?
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Originally Posted by Egyptian_Sphynx
how experienced is experienced???? id have to think hard about that one.
Here's a great link to a write up about "experience" by Dave and Tracy Barker .... I'm quite sure that they know what they are talking about!
http://www.vpi.com/9VPITipsAndTechs/...Experience.htm
IMO, someone like Kara from NERD that has personally fed and cared for more snakes in the last 12 months than most people will see in their lifetime has a little bit more "experience" than someone that got a pet ball python from a pet store a year or two ago. Books are a valuable tool for certain, but I don't care how many books you have to reference, there is no learning tool in the world like hands on experience.
Some people get publishing deals to write about snakes that they have never kept, and others keep so many snakes that they don't have time to write books.
Just food for thought.
-adam
Re: How many snakes in a cage?
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Originally Posted by BALLPYTHON
In the ball python section the author doesn't specifically state that ball pythons can be kept together
Exactly. Because they shouldn't. Although he does give a reminder for feeding them responsibly for those that errantly choose to do otherwise.
Philippe de Vosjoli is not a ball python specialist. He is an author that writes about anything from plants, to hermit crabs, snakes, frogs, torts, chams, general reptile Q & A, and on. Amazon.com has over 52 titles credited to his name and only 3 of those are specifically about ball pythons. None of them advocate housing balls together.
I've met Philippe and he is indeed a very smart man, but he'd be the first to tell you that he has never kept ball pythons in any great numbers and does not have even close to the amount of experience that professional ball python breeders like Kara@NERD, Ralph Davis, and Tracy Barker have (all of whom advocate housing ball pythons individually).
In your original post you said you've read a "few different" books ....
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i have read in a few different books that although these are solitary animals you can house two ball pythons together.
What are the titles and authors of the others? You've only cited one so far. If there is a title that specifically says that "you can house two ball pythons together"? I'd really appreciate the title and author so that I can contact them and figure out why in the world they would publish something like that?
-adam
Re: How many snakes in a cage?
This thread has inspired me to house two ball pythons together so that i may gain first hand experience on this issue.
Re: How many snakes in a cage?
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Originally Posted by BALLPYTHON
This thread has inspired me to house two ball pythons together so that i may gain first hand experience on this issue.
Well there ya go!! Walk the walk! ;)
How many ball pythons do you currently own?
-adam
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I'm very glad there are some ppl out there who know what there talkin about. It pisses me off how ppl decided to house snakes together and expect them to not fight or stress out. The bp's need to feel secure and like there in danger. I advise anyone who is planning on putting 2 snakes together not to. If they do plan on having stressed out bp's who won't eat and won't be healthy also if one has a URI or some other sickness both have it now.
Mark
Re: How many snakes in a cage?
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Originally Posted by BALLPYTHON
This thread has inspired me to house two ball pythons together so that i may gain first hand experience on this issue.
Go for it. Some people can only learn when they experience things themselves. Just be prepared for the possible problems that may be associated with housing two ball pythons together for the safety of the animals. Also, why not keep some good documented notes on your observations so that the next time this gets brought up (and it WILL be brought up again) you will have documented personal experience to support your opinion: weither it be for or against housings two bps together.
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I currently own three female normal ball pythons all housed in their own enclosure. My opinion was that a single ball python should be housed in a single enclosure.
Now i just want to do some research on my own and gather my own reasons why. I will purchase a male and female or two females from the up coming reptile show in june and house them together. I'll document my observations and let you guys know what happens.
Re: How many snakes in a cage?
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Originally Posted by BALLPYTHON
I currently own three female normal ball pythons all housed in their own enclosure. My opinion was that a single ball python should be housed in a single enclosure.
Now i just want to do some research on my own and gather my own reasons why. I will purchase a male and female or two females from the up coming reptile show in june and house them together. I'll document my observations and let you guys know what happens.
Good luck with that!
-adam
Re: How many snakes in a cage?
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Originally Posted by BALLPYTHON
I currently own three female normal ball pythons all housed in their own enclosure.
You might want to update you signature :)
