Why..

took offense because this is a NEW POST on a new thread and YOU sir, were the first one to jump off topic... NOBODY know what happened to me in MY life so the smart remarks need to come to a STOP, if someone's family or relative suffered from a FATAL car accident and ended up with a TBI how would you feel if a forum was creating a hard time for that person..??? SO IF YOU AVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY, THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING...

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

That's all i want/need, gotta start somewhere.. 50% is better than NO%

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And to make sure that you understand based n your previous thread relating to having a hard time financially

Possible Hets sell for the price of normals if they sell. I have been doing this a while and normals and possible hets are either free to good home or sold as wholesale group.

If you plan on holding back the females to breed back to dad by the time you house and feed X amount of those animals there will still be no guarantees that you will produce a visual down the road as none may prove out.

The important things to take in consideration when breeding even more so in YOUR situation.

Basic Genetic knowledge

Cost of breeding, incubator, rack to house the hatchlings individually, electricity bill, food x X number of animals for X number of weeks or months. You will not break even by breeding normal or het to normal (Breeding is expensive I have spent the first 2 years in the red when I started)

Ball Python Market

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

That's all i want/need, gotta start somewhere.. 50% is better than NO%

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I don't think you understand what that chart means. Quite simply, you have a 100% chance to end up with exactly what you started with and a 0% chance to end up with anything more than you started with. You can't trade up when you're trading even at best. You just end up with more mouths to feed that won't end up making you any more money than they cost you.

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

I fed EchoRed two days ago, and what i wanna know is WHY is she that big that much down her body..??

http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...psb4c4f05b.jpg

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

what's a reason for this young lady's size after eating last on the 26th of this month and NO lockups that i saw unless she had some stored away for a rainy day..

http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...psb8dac5f7.jpg

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In an effort to keep the forum clutter free both threads have now been merged since both are identical in nature.

Okay uh... I'm still not sure if you do understand? Dude, recessive projects take a LONG time to prove out. I mean YEARS. You could be looking at a decade or more going the route you want to take, and by that time you will have invested A LOT more money in just the care, feeding housing and raising of the babies, meanwhile the price of the visual snake you want will have dropped.

For real, I feel you here on the “the snake I want costs more than I car is worth rn," thing (HELLO Dreamsicles). I want pretty much EVERYTHING pied, but I’m NOT starting with pieds as my first project snakes. I’m looking to make some cute bumblebees and lemon blasts because I still like them! Then maybe I think I’m going to bring in some bananas and some calicos, because I like THOSE combos too! Eventually, I will be investing in some pieds and and work my way up, but that’s down the line, after I’ve saved up, and gotten some experience. And even then, I’m going to get visuals, probably with MORE than one gene.

The way you’re planning it? You are working BACKWARDS. You will cost yourself more money in the long run. Have patience. Work on getting your husbandry right in the mean time, and save up money for a couple nice snakes. Buy some snakes with dominant or co-dominant genes first. I’ve seen spiders as low as $75. If you can’t afford that, you REALLY can’t afford feeding and housing 4-8 baby ball pythons properly.

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

took offense because this is a NEW POST on a new thread and YOU sir, were the first one to jump off topic... NOBODY know what happened to me in MY life so the smart remarks need to come to a STOP, if someone's family or relative suffered from a FATAL car accident and ended up with a TBI how would you feel if a forum was creating a hard time for that person..??? SO IF YOU AVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY, THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING...

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Jeez, calm down. First of all, what happens in your life in the real world has NOTHING to do with how people treat you on this forum. I could be suffering from some fatal disease; does that mean you should treat me any differently on a forum where I ask questions about snakes? No, because those things are completely unrelated.
I haven't said anything insulting to you, nor have I made any 'smart remarks'. (Also, check back, I'm actually not the first person who referenced your other threads... which were so similar they have now been merged). I have disagreed with you and told you that your reasoning was faulty. That's not personal, nor is it contrary to the purpose of the forum.

I started by tring to give help but at this point why do people keep responding to this guy? Are you here for sport? Just ignore him.
Hes a troll and you guys are loving it

I see a lot of people trying to help you out but I think the problem is maybe you are taking offense to a lot of it. I'm gonna try to help you as best as I can. First lets look at your setup. You have had these snakes for 5 years and they eat and shed well for you which means they are at least healthy. However, in that 5 years they have not mated which means they aren't happy. Now I know you won't like me saying that but believe me, if they were truely happy, you would have gotten eggs by now. Even if you got another male, you will still not get eggs unless you improve their home. A good start would be to keep them in seperate cages and give them something to hide in (a cereal box will even work). Once they are happy, you can choose to breed your Normals together or get another male. Now I want you to think about what kind of snake you ultimately want to make. if you choose pied, albino, or any other recessive gene then I warn you that it will take a whole lot more time and money then a visually co-dominate gene. Even if you buy an albino male to mate with your female, every singe baby she makes will look normal. None of them will be albino. They will have the gene hidden inside of them but they will look completely normal which means you will not make enought money on them to make up for how much it cost to take care of them. I would suggest you look for lesser, Mojave, or pastel. You could find a male of any of those morphs for $50-100 but think of it as an investment. If you spend $70 on lesser and it breeds with your normal female, roughly half of the babies will be lessers and the other half will be normals. All the normals will only go for $10-25 each but the lessers will go from $50-125 a piece. You can easily get to the point of making a little profit but you must be willing to invest more in the beginning. If you don't invest much then you will find yourself in the negative and forced to give it all away just to cut your losses.

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I started by tring to give help but at this point why do people keep responding to this guy? Are you here for sport? Just ignore him.
Hes a troll and you guys are loving it

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I really think people misuse the word troll around here. That would imply some sort of active effort rile people up rather than simply being obtuse. In this case, the reason people keep responding is he keeps making new threads thinking he'll get different answers (if you scroll up you'll see that the threads here were merged because they're practically identical).

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

thanks for the reply, she moved a bowel last night/this morning so i cleaned it out when i got up, the two i have are brother and sister and before you get started i already know the risks of having them breed another reason i'm getting the 100% het male in 2 days, don't care what type of het it is, that just means to me that i gotta start out with whatever comes out of her.. she's staying on the "cool side" of her tank and i have a small fan on top of that side, so iono what's going on with her..

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What risk??

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Originally Posted by ECechoHO

UNDERSTOOD LIZARDLICKS, jus saying the morph i wanna end up with in the long run of doing this would cost me a down payment of Nissan GTR and i ain't got it like that, SOOO i gotta do it the long drawn out way...

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Have you actually done the math?
You want to go the long way on nothing.......
You will make a clutch of POSIBLE hets.
You will have to grow all of them out so:
Then all the males are worthless to you because your female carries nothing but NORMAL
Two (2) to three (3) years to grow out all the females IF you get any in the clutch.
Don't forget you will need more housing to keep all of these.
You will also need to buy more rats to feed all of these (Do you have a supplier?)
The after you have tied up a couple hundred ($100) dollars into each of those females your STILL only have POSSIBLE hets.
Now you will need to breed the het male back to all of them and hope that one of them proves out in the first year. (Can take a couple years as well)

Let me just give a little simple guestimate math for you.
You get lucky and get three (3) females.
$200 each to get them to breeding size in rats.
Now you have already spent $600 on POSSIBLE hets.
What kind of male could you buy to put to your existing normal for $600?
You could buy a pied male for that!!

If you cant wrap your head around this then you are going to have nothing but problems.