Desert Female Update

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Originally Posted by wreckroomsnakes

there are two known lines of desert. pk and P.E line. P.E line is much more well known and typically holds it color better as it ages. Pk line tends to brown out

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Gotcha (I do not own a desert so I am not familiar with the lines, I would just assume those who produced them originally would have the rights to the name)....but my question still stands, why would it not be called a PK line or PE line? Regardless if you are the first to produce something, the line/breeding of the animal would not change...? :confusd:

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Originally Posted by tikigator

Gotcha (I do not own a desert so I am not familiar with the lines, I would just assume those who produced them originally would have the rights to the name)....but my question still stands, why would it not be called a PK line or PE line? Regardless if you are the first to produce something, the line/breeding of the animal would not change...? :confusd:

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What happens if two different people import animals at the same time, not knowing that either has it???

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Originally Posted by tikigator

Gotcha (I do not own a desert so I am not familiar with the lines, I would just assume those who produced them originally would have the rights to the name)....but my question still stands, why would it not be called a PK line or PE line? Regardless if you are the first to produce something, the line/breeding of the animal would not change...? :confusd:

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I don't think the OP quoted that this is his own line of anything...I am not sure where you are seeing that he did. :confusd:

I have been following your story very closely. I do not want any part of the trashing or accusing or name calling. BUT just this past Sunday I saw a number of Desert Combos at my local show courtesy of a well known breeder I originally met at Tinley Park. And I have to tell you honestly. Nothing about any of your snakes, from the dam to the babies looks desert to me. Could I be wrong? Of course. But I have to tell you, after seeing in person what a number of different desert combos looks like, these don't have "the look" of a desert.

I don't know how to describe what that means. I can only say that until Sunday, I have only seen single gene deserts in person, and combos in photographs. Having seen combos in person, they do have a definite look to them. It is impossible to mistake them for anything else. And these babies....just don't have that look.

In theory, it could just be because of the dam being a "different" desert. But the combos I saw came from a minimum of 5 different deserts, so I kind of doubt that is the case. If you do breed her to a normal male and get single gene deserts, please do let us all know, because I will gladly apologize for doubting.

Gale

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Originally Posted by grcforce327

What happens if two different people import animals at the same time, not knowing that either has it???

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You cannot import a known line....an import is an unknown line. If you prove out an import then you have the right to call it your own line. At least that is how I have always understood it. You cannot just purchase a snake from someone's line, breed it once and call it your own line. Someone else produced it....or imported and proved it. For example I cannot buy a Joliff Axanthic, breed it and then decide to call it my own line of Axanthics.....

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Originally Posted by joebad976

I don't think the OP quoted that this is his own line of anything...I am not sure where you are seeing that he did. :confusd:

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On the OP's post on BLBC:

"Keeping with my word here's the update. This is from the FIRST and ONLY proven Citrus Pastel Desert female. Proven and named the "Cross Exotics Desert Line"."

I went back and looked at the first post here, I thought it was identical when I read it before....maybe it changed, regardless, that's what the OP is calling it.

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Originally Posted by tikigator

You cannot import a known line....an import is an unknown line. If you prove out an import then you have the right to call it your own line. At least that is how I have always understood it. You cannot just purchase a snake from someone's line, breed it once and call it your own line. Someone else produced it....or imported and proved it. For example I cannot buy a Joliff Axanthic, breed it and then decide to call it my own line of Axanthics.....

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I think he was calling the combo the "Oasis", not referring to his own line of Desert. It was other people talking about this line and that line.

I'll set the record straight gang.. I initially posted on the blbc forums. Yes, I called it Cross Exotics Line, and that is due to it "being a first" with the Desert female reproducing and not being done prior to this from anyone over the years. I retracted the "Oasis" name and left it at that since it was taken (didn't do my home work on that). It was a way of marking a first of an event, even though the Desert lines have been bred to so many combos before this. There is no way to tell which "line" comes from what unless you have spotless records from day one when they were brought in to the country. It was even mentioned that my girl could have been a "Jungle Desert" type new line that emerged from breeding over the years. :O I've had faith in this project, and I've also stood behind everything I've said while being transparent as possible in hopes to further share this information regarding something that is tagged impossible. After all, being excited is boring unless its shared for others to enjoy as well. After reading other opinions and reflecting back, I apologize for being over zealous and calling something my own line without the further proving of generations. Before I posted these pics I even consulted several very well known breeders. After doing so with the information of what was seen in the clutch I posted them. Hence the excitement and claim of said events. I won't disclose these breeders out of respect, and I assure you things will come full circle one way or the other as far as this Desert event goes. This thread was generated for the sole purpose of keeping my word of sharing the information, and not concealing what a lot have wished to happen for a long time. I thank you all for your opinions, thoughts, questions and respect for each other and myself regarding this matter. Feel free to ask or post and I will remain upfront with you all as I have been.

Thank You,
Joe
Cross Exotics

Tiki is correct, he has said he is going to be calling his deserts from this female on a Cross Line Desert...even though it came from Amir, so to me this would still be whatever line, PE/PK that Amir had if she is in fact a desert.

Personally, I still think we haven't seen a desert on eggs yet.

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Originally Posted by rascal_rascal_99

Tiki is correct, he has said he is going to be calling his deserts from this female on a Cross Line Desert...even though it came from Amir, so to me this would still be whatever line, PE/PK that Amir had if she is in fact a desert.

Personally, I still think we haven't seen a desert on eggs yet.

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They are not nor will they be called Cross Line Deserts. PE is the line she came from.