WARNING for Florida herpers!

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

We can't own them unless we have a conditional reptile permit, and then it's not for "personal pet" but only as "Reptile dealers, public exhibitors, researchers and nuisance trappers". So if you want to be a dealer, or exhibitor (this can be a nice loop hole for those not wanting to be a dealer), you have to apply for the permit/license.

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Good to know....What do they define "exhibitor" as???

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Originally Posted by helmethead

I'll know how bad it's really going to be once I get to court... :(

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I worry about the remaining fallout due to the Rock Python fiasco a few months ago...hopefully the judge doesn't like Kool-Aid:rolleyes:

Weapons drawn for a citation? It sounds like an over zealous ticket writer to me. From what I understand, you do need a permit for BP sales in FL. However, weapons pulled to write the ticket is ridiculous.

someone was behind on his quota I guess

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

someone was behind on his quota I guess

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Quotas are actually illegal now-a-days. They have what's called "contacts." Officers must make "x" amount of traffic stops and contacts with civilians rather than write "x" amount of tickets.

Keeps them from having an obligation to write erroneous tickets.


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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Quotas are actually illegal now-a-days. They have what's called "contacts." Officers must make "x" amount of traffic stops and contacts with civilians rather than write "x" amount of tickets.

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http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.48640...12625&pid=15.1

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

FWC:
Here is that list:

The following species do not require a permit for personal possession as long as no other Rule or Statute applies. Examples include, but are not limited to, rules for Threatened or Endangered Species:

• Button quail
• Canaries
• Chinchillas
• Cockatiels
• Doves: ringed, ruddy, and diamond
• Ferrets (domestic; European)
• Finches
• Gerbils, hedgehogs
• Guinea pigs
• Hamsters
• Honey possums, sugar gliders
• Lovebirds
• Moles; shrews
• Myna birds
• Parrots
• Prairie dogs
• Rabbits
• Rats and mice
• Reptiles or amphibians (nonvenomous, unprotected species that are NOT listed as endangered, threatened, species of special concern, conditional reptiles, or otherwise regulated)
• Shell parakeets
• Squirrels; chipmunks
• Toucans

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According to this you do not need a permit. It stated that:

"reptiles or amphibians (nonvenomous, unprotected species that are NOT listed as endangered, threatened, species of special concern"

And in that list it does not have ball python listed. I would fight that and tell FWC that they need to learn what animals are acceptable and what are not by the laws that they are to protect.

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Originally Posted by mattb

According to this you do not need a permit. It stated that:

"reptiles or amphibians (nonvenomous, unprotected species that are NOT listed as endangered, threatened, species of special concern"

And in that list it does not have ball python listed. I would fight that and tell FWC that they need to learn what animals are acceptable and what are not by the laws that they are to protect.

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He got busted because he was SELLING. Which if you look at my post, notes you do need a permit for. This list was to show the other person stating that you had to have one to just own a bp was untrue.

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

He got busted because he was SELLING. Which if you look at my post, notes you do need a permit for. This list was to show the other person stating that you had to have one to just own a bp was untrue.

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I understand that. Their definition of class 3 is the same if you just possess it or sell them. By their definition Ball Pythons are not listed under the class 3 animals. So with that being said if they are not under that classification then no permit is required to by or see them.

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Originally Posted by mattb

I understand that. Their definition of class 3 is the same if you just possess it or sell them. By their definition Ball Pythons are not listed under the class 3 animals. So with that being said if they are not under that classification then no permit is required to by or see them.

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No...not quite.

They state you need a permit to possess/sell/exhibit class 3. Class 3 is all animals not listed in 1 or 2, or on the "able to be POSSESSED short list".

If the list was "Able to be possessed and sold and exhibited" then your point would be valid. Because the law/list states that that list only exempts those animals from permit for possession, he still (and everyone) has to have a permit to sell them.

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

He got busted because he was SELLING. Which if you look at my post, notes you do need a permit for. This list was to show the other person stating that you had to have one to just own a bp was untrue.

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I think what people are tripping over is that there are two permits you can get. The first is the personal possession permit, and that is the one ball pythons are exempt for. When you look at the FWC site where it lists the Class III exempt animals, it says (in bold) the list is only valid for the personal possession license. There is not an exemption list for the Class III exhibition and sale license. So if you are selling any Class III animals in FL you are supposed to have your exhibition and sales paperwork.