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Originally Posted by majorleaguereptiles

Thanks for the tips in figuring out allelic genetics...

In 3 generations of breedings a blackhead spider has not made any normals, only blackheads and spiders. So yes, that would constitute being allelic. This was from a female, 3 years in a row, from another breeder. So I'd like to breed my male this year and figure out myself.

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Again, I didn't know that. Thats an interesting thought. It will be nifty to see how the black head spider project will unfold.

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Originally Posted by peterneish

Who was I arguing with? I was simply stating your post seemed patronising. And it's spelt with an s in the uk, which is where I live, was born, grew up and was educated. Your correction was again, patronising, with an s! :)


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I wasn't arguing with anyone. Again, I posted to share what I knew. It's actually surprising the response you get from people here.

I see it's also spelt patronise! I did correct you as a form of humor as you called me out for patroniSing when I was simply sharing information that was argued incorrectly against me.

You showing me there is multiple spellings of patronize is patronising to me. :( :(

Let me start off by saying that the only proof can come from breeding. Personally I would trust a reputable breeder like Brant over random people. Everyone has their own opinion and can state it. I don't understand why it usually ends in an argument on this site. I guess there are just a lot of "strong" personalities on here. Good luck op whether you decide to breed or not. Any BP is better than no BP ;)

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This snake is gonna make spiders everyone. :) I'm glad people disagree, i think thats cool. I don't mean to cause an argument as people are adamant that its a normal as I am as a spider. I just wanted people to know, that I know, this snake will make spiders. Than in the future when the OP posts his/her clutch results we can all go "ahhhh interesting!" :) that brant guy isn't so crazy after all.

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...pse6c2162b.jpg

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Originally Posted by majorleaguereptiles

I wasn't arguing with anyone. Again, I posted to share what I knew. It's actually surprising the response you get from people here.

I see it's also spelt patronise! I did correct you as a form of humor as you called me out for patroniSing when I was simply sharing information that was argued incorrectly against me.

You showing me there is multiple spellings of patronize is patronising to me. :( :(

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Apologies for patronizing :) lets just make up and be transatlantic ball python buddies :):):)


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Originally Posted by majorleaguereptiles

First, blackhead spiders have already proven to pop out spiders. Maybe, spiders and blackheads are allelic? Hmm, you wouldn't know anything about that would you? I have 3 generations of spider blackhead information that really nobody would know about besides 2 people.

Lastly, to question someone's "integrity" in the mix is unappropriate. I guess I shouldn't come on here and try to share what I know. I didn't sell this snake, I just came on here to say it was a spider based on my experience. Which you obviously know nothing about.

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Honestly, you've compromised your own integrity here by calling someone unintelligent about genetics.

There's two ways to go about an argument, proper discourse has been neglected here.

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Originally Posted by Kodieh

Honestly, you've compromised your own integrity here by calling someone unintelligent about genetics.

There's two ways to go about an argument, proper discourse has been neglected here.

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Let's talk about integrity. You falsly claiming that I called someone unintelligent and then questioning my integrity is a perfect example of the lack thereof.

I came on here to discuss a simple animal that I'm not involved with in any way. There is absolutely nothing for me to gain in this situation. I stated this animal was a spider because I thought people would actually appreciate my opinion because I do have experience. What makes this even more ironic, is it actually is a SPIDER!

So here I am, being honest with the public, and in no way, shape, or form did I call anyone unintelligent. Disagreement is a separate entity. Questioning my integrity because I called a spider a spider? The fact you simply don't agree is fine, but then to bring integrity into an issue which I have absolutely nothing to gain from is absolutely ridiculous.

Proper discourse was neglected here.

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Originally Posted by peterneish

Apologies for patronizing :) lets just make up and be transatlantic ball python buddies :):):)


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Sounds great to me! :) I have some good UK buddies.

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Originally Posted by majorleaguereptiles

This snake is gonna make spiders everyone. :) I'm glad people disagree, i think thats cool. I don't mean to cause an argument as people are adamant that its a normal as I am as a spider. I just wanted people to know, that I know, this snake will make spiders. Than in the future when the OP posts his/her clutch results we can all go "ahhhh interesting!" :) that brant guy isn't so crazy after all.

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...pse6c2162b.jpg

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Huh, I wonder if you took that picture to another forum who hadn't seen this thread, how many would guess that it is indeed spider?
That's one of the things that I noticed. Sure, normals have white on them, but the OP's snake has white flecking nothing like the pictures that were posted of the normal sides. This looks like spider flecking to me. Also, the facial markings (and I'd like to see if the black extends into the neck and chin as it does with mine) reminds me of spider, it's even got the mustache. The color is quite golden for a normal, and it's got the "two-tone" look to it, the dorsal pattern is indeed lighter in color than the sides. The thin stripe of blushing also reminds me of a spider, not that normals don't have that, but the color and stripe-like blushing I've seen on a lot of spiders, especially on the neck.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...IMG_2522-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by majorleaguereptiles

I didn't want to say it was a great example. I understand people don't like supporting ugly examples and low end breeding these days, I'm in agreement.

But if I see spider, than I see spider, and I'll say that. No matter how ugly or trashy others may think it looks, I actually get interested in different looking animals, so I actually seek them out, follow them and study them. This will be one of those to add to my brain when it proves, or doesn't prove in your evaluation. I think it's FUN!

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So if this thread wasnt titled "odd spider" you still wouldve been able to say thats a Spider? I say BS...

Its a cool looking Normal until it shoots Spider babies. Which i doubt it wil unfortunatly


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