Beginings of a new morph.

Those look like some great snakes! I agree with the clown like traits, but co-Dom! :-)

Nice [Black] Pastel.

They have been around for a while though...

Looks black back pastel to me. It looks like 1 of the pastel babies ( the one all the way to the left in the pic) got the black back part too. Im not seeing it in the others though. Hopefully that one on the left is a 0.1 so you can raise it up and breed it back to the sire.
On a side note: no need to be a grammar nazi dude. Were all friends here and no one is trying to pick on you. People are allowed to disagree with you. If you want your rights to freedom of speech taken away go live in North Korea lol :O
Whatever he is, that sire is cool looking. Nice find for c-list imo! :gj:

I'll probably go with the majority and say it's a pastel, however I've also been around long enough to remember that in the past I've also seen 'just another pastel' turn out to be the vanilla, or a 'dull pastel' to be a new line of fire, and even 'another line of pastel' to be the enchi.

I'll just nod my head and say nice snake, congratulations on the babies. :D

Ok, so join date 5/12, said I got snake a "few months ago", wait for qt, wait for snake to lay plus eggs to hatch, = more than a few months. Plus come on here and start hacking on people.....hmmmm.... "Who's that tromping on my bridge????"

Congrats on it being genetic.

You spelled a word wrong in your post title (and several other places since) and then called out a veteran member for a mistake? To be the best at something means being able to take criticism and learn from the people who have come before you. Obviously these guys are capable and experienced in IDing morphs. Take the thanks on proving it out and consider it a win.

Dang. Here the big guys are chasing new morph combos and importing possible new morphs to spend years trying to prove out, when all they have to do is hang out on craigslist and new morphs are falling out of the sky. Boy, are they gonna be angry ...

Congrats on the babies. But it looks like you have a lot to learn. It's not all about alleles.

I'm not much of an antagonist but anyone who is saying black pastel is wrong. They look nothing like the morph black pastel. They are too bright. Also the people saying that they are black back pastels I feel are missing something. The sire is both BLACK BACK and PASTEL looking. That's 2 different morphs. Perhaps the OP stumbled upon a "morph" that has both built into one snake. If it was indeed a 2 morph animal, the odds gods were very nice to him. They way I see it, if it is a black back pastel (2 morphs) there would be some normal black backs and some pastels in the clutch.

I think the clutch is awesome and to help you prove them to be something, get a black pastel and a pastel and breed the same "new morph" snake to both. That clutch should be fairly convincing on what this "morph" is.

Also how morphs happens is RANDOM CHANCE. The sire is very subtle if you don't know ball pythons. Perhaps the person who hatched him out in the first place thought he was a normal. Then the OP proves there is something going on. Technically you could breed 2 normals and get a banana. Very unlikely but possible.

I think some of us will agree that more breedings need to be done to learn what it is. Perhaps this thread is why some breeders don't release info on new "morphs" this early. All the back and forth banter and nay sayers.

I like the animal and I think there is something there. Good luck with this project. I hope it proves to be something special for ya! Cheers.


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Originally Posted by interloc

I'm not much of an antagonist but anyone who is saying black pastel is wrong. They look nothing like the morph black pastel. They are too bright. Also the people saying that they are black back pastels I feel are missing something. The sire is both BLACK BACK and PASTEL looking. That's 2 different morphs. Perhaps the OP stumbled upon a "morph" that has both built into one snake. If it was indeed a 2 morph animal, the odds gods were very nice to him. They way I see it, if it is a black back pastel (2 morphs) there would be some normal black backs and some pastels in the clutch.

I think the clutch is awesome and to help you prove them to be something, get a black pastel and a pastel and breed the same "new morph" snake to both. That clutch should be fairly convincing on what this "morph" is.

Also how morphs happens is RANDOM CHANCE. The sire is very subtle if you don't know ball pythons. Perhaps the person who hatched him out in the first place thought he was a normal. Then the OP proves there is something going on. Technically you could breed 2 normals and get a banana. Very unlikely but possible.

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1) Don't think anybody said it looked like a black pastel.
2) How does breeding 2 normals produce a dominate morph? I mean, sure you could pop out another mutation but what are the odds of the same morph randomly mutating twice?

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Originally Posted by John1982

1) Don't think anybody said it looked like a black pastel.
2) How does breeding 2 normals produce a dominate morph? I mean, sure you could pop out another mutation but what are the odds of the same morph randomly mutating twice?

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True. I read back through the thread and I think my brain melted black back into just black. So I read black pastel. Woops. :p. But take a look at coral glow and banana. Or butter and lesser. And the desert story. 2 different breeders got 2 different deserts and realized they had the same morph as each other. Morphs just happen sometimes. It's what keep us all looking for dinkers. Also look up the blue ghost if u haven't seen it. Just showed up out of he blue (pun intended). I say cut the OP some slack and see what he can do with the snakes.


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