Has desert female breeding got anywhere?

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,
Just thought I'd point out there are several morph genes already known can can result in the animal dying - infertile is far from impossible.
dr del

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Yup, what he said.

I've heard a number of reports of female deserts actually dying while gravid. Not something I'm really anxious to experience first hand.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Adding genes does not appear to help.

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This to me is one of the worst indicators of failure in them. Hope I'm wrong, I like some of you will still give it a try eventually.

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Originally Posted by Emilio

This to me is one of the worst indicators of failure in them.

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Why would that make any difference...and I'm truly curious to your thoughts, not being combative. Spiders still wobble when combined with other mutations. The thought process behind mutations essentially being "fixed" by entirely separate mutations is baffling to me...but then again, I don't claim to be well versed in genetic mutations or how they work.

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Why would that make any difference...and I'm truly curious to your thoughts, not being combative. Spiders still wobble when combined with other mutations. The thought process behind mutations essentially being "fixed" by entirely separate mutations is baffling to me...but then again, I don't claim to be well versed in genetic mutations or how they work.

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You are correct...you can not fix a morph just because you mix that morph...I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong...
For example...Spider and Sable proven to be fatal...if you were to combine an extreme morph....lets say a Spider Pin Lesser Ghost Pastel to a Sable Mojave Yellow Belly Orange Dream and in that clutch any baby that had the Spider Sable gene in the same baby it would not make it....when those two morphs cross the same path results will be the same no matter how many other morphs are present.
So you can't solve the problem of Desert females throwing infertile eggs just because its crossed into other genes....that gene still plays a roll....
Anyone can correct me if I am wrong...I know I have been wrong before....
Travis
Lair of Dragons

Hi,

There have been some odd anomalies reported at NERD - like a living sable spider and a surviving pearl.

I haven't heard anthing more about them though so I don't know what the long term result was.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

There have been some odd anomalies reported at NERD - like a living sable spider and a surviving pearl.

I haven't heard anthing more about them though so I don't know what the long term result was.

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At least with the Pearl, isn't that thing so neuro that maybe it should not be alive?

as soon as the price of female deserts reflects the lack of 'investment' capability I will probably buy one.

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Originally Posted by Dragoon

as soon as the price of female deserts reflects the lack of 'investment' capability I will probably buy one.

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I agree. I would buy one for $200 or so as a pet. Maybe a bit more if it has another gene and looks really cool.

I don't think being able to produce an exception means something is ok.

For example, mules are sterile. Just because you have an anomalous mule that is not sterile doesn't change the fact that sterility is the norm in mules. (Yes, this has happened).

If one person has a desert female that isn't sterile, but the rest all are, that doesn't mean desert females aren't sterile, it just means that person has an anomalous animal.

Look at the evidence: Most of the reports of desert female breeding result in a clutch of slugs, and all TOO often, a female dead of egg binding. The egg binding would indicate that there is something physically amiss with the animal's reproductive system that has nothing to do with temperature or hormones.

Caramel females: Something is obviously wrong with their reproductive system. They have very low fertility. They will lay fertile eggs--every once in a blue moon, they may even lay a clutch that's mostly fertile--but the norm is for them to lay a lot of slugs, and maybe just a few fertile eggs along with them.

I don't understand why people are struggling so hard against the inevitable conclusion. The idea that desert ball pythons become egg bound because they're too warm is relatively mystical thinking--there's no conceivable reason why higher temperatures would cause egg binding, particularly when they cause no other symptoms of overheating in the animal.

I don't see how it could possibly be so, from a physiological perspective. Physical abnormality of the reproductive system due to mutation makes sense--how does 'keep them cooler and they'll lay good eggs' actually make sense? Upon what is it based? What physiological process COULD cause such a thing?

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I don't see how it could possibly be so, from a physiological perspective. Physical abnormality of the reproductive system due to mutation makes sense--how does 'keep them cooler and they'll lay good eggs' actually make sense? Upon what is it based? What physiological process COULD cause such a thing?

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The keep them cool thing came from the theory they weren't properly thermoregulating the eggs inside of them and cooking them causing the slugs. I haven't herd of egg binding being normal.